Yes and?
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Hard starts are one of the workout types that you can select when filtering.
You can also use keyword searching for what you’re looking for. If it’s in the workout description, it will pop up.
For example, here’s what pops up when I search for x10 if I’m looking for 10-minute intervals
As you can see, there are a lot of options, so at this point, checking some boxes to narrow down things like duration or zone will help you find what you’re looking for pretty quickly.
In terms of dealing with heat/altitude, I’ve heard this one before, but I’ll remind the team about it. 
Thanks for the suggestions!
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TR continues to serve me workouts that challenge me without overloading me, tailors workouts to my races, and has proven invaluable in my recovery from an accident (it does a much better job of evaluating my recovery and readiness for hard workouts than I do). I think the red light green light does a great job.
I don’t have to have a whiz bang new feature every few weeks. I just need the system to work, and it does.
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TR for me this year has been solid. Honestly, aside from expanding on the key workflows TR allows for and polishing up odd ends here and there in the UX/UI, there’s nothing really that would pull me away from it when it comes to planning and structured training. I don’t anticipate I’ll ever get good enough to warrant the need of a coach so what TR offers when it comes to planning my seasons and keeping tabs on my performance to adapt the plan is excellent.
When going through a typical training season, I chunk my major workflows into the following: workout planning, tracking/analyzing, benchmarking, socializing, workout distraction/execution.
Considering all the competitors that are out there and balancing the niches that some may excel at vs others, TR sufficiently balances it all and nails it for me when it comes to workout planning, tracking/analyzing, and benchmarking. To cover the rest of my workflows, I use Strava and Zwift.
As someone who trains 90/10 outdoor/indoor and from trying various competitors for all aspects of my training, TR, Zwift, and Strava have been the sweet combo for me.
At first glance, it might seem interesting to go after improving the workout distraction/execution experience, but aside from polishing what exists, there’s just too many factors that would get in the way of truly coming up with something novel. Like for me, I may have TR or Zwift running, but I could be watching TV, playing a Peloton class, having a curated playlist, or listening to the TR podcast. A lot of it is affected by the kind of workout and how late in the season it is when I’m getting close to being mentally drained from intervals and such. I’m sure exploration into this can yield some interesting rabbit holes, but I just point it out specifically because it’s definitely the one aspect of my training that varies a lot in regards to what service I leverage to accomplish it whereas the other aspects seem to coalesce into a predictable pattern.
So all in all, I don’t feel TR has dropped the ball. Though I agree there is a challenge that remains if they are looking to grow TR even more as there may be a wall being approached when it comes to the primary workflows of the app.
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Thanks. I looked up every hard start workout, along with mixed intervals for threshold and vo2, and I couldn’t find anything that emulated a race start where the first 5-15 min was way above threshold before settling into SS or 95% FTP. I also looked up 1 minute, 60 seconds in vo2 and anerobic and couldn’t find any 1 min intervals. Am I doing this wrong? I see a “search workout” box but nothing saying I can search by keyword?
We aren’t going to have race-simulation workouts to cover every single scenario. There are probably better ways to train, like with the hard starts we do offer (some of them are really hard!).
If you want something unique and highly specific, I’d recommend using our Workout Creator.
Also, I get plenty of options by simply selecting VO2 Max and Anaerobic and searching for “60.”
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I think there is stuff we take for granted now. Training has been refined and made easier. As one who had to keep a written diary of my workouts. ( They had books for this ) Heart rate, time n zones, routes how many beers…etc . It was a real pain to go back and compare all the entries to find what worked and what didn’t.
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I was in software product development for the bulk of my career. I think what we’re seeing with TR is pretty common for established companies: you’ve achieved your primary goal, now what. It should be ok to just run your product. The “market” doesn’t agree.
Investors and partners want innovation and growth. The hard part in the SaaS space is you need to keep growing the base. Some customers will grow tired of the product and seek greener pastures. You need to keep bringing in new users and make the product sticky enough that most don’t leave or at least not quickly
If you’re lucky, as a company, you get evergreen — I look at my Concept2 rower, a solid product that just works. They aren’t the fastest to innovate but they do enough. Sunk hardware costs helps keep customers engaged and a bulletproof product helps resale value.
We, as consumers, want products to stay current with the times, but it needs to make sense. Look at all the companies scurrying to add AI to their products. The majority are just shite.
I like what TR offers. It is a bit niche, but it set out to do a thing and it does it well. If new, good, relevant ideas come up — great.
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Oh man, first Mr Lee on the Podcast and now Eddie, something big is coming. 
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Thanks for this Eddie. I’ve use the boxes to narrow things down in the past but typing something like “x10” in the search is gold. I didn’t know you could use such short description. 
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you can still do an actual FTP test
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The Workout Creator… now *there’s* something that could be vastly improved for usability!
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100% agree. Its now obsolete
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The podcast used to be my weekly trainer ride given, however now it has gone terribly stale so i look at it and then opt for another. I get tired of listening to Keegan, Hannah and some of the other redundant, beat to death topics. If they have run out of topics to discuss or people willing to go on the cast other than those, maybe it’s time to scale it back and add more “meat”. I also miss Nate’s some people have a presence and voice while others have tedium. Perhaps he’s lost his desire but the podcast really suffers with the same droning on.
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Agreed, I’ve tried to listen to some of them and most of the Pro ‘interviews’ boil down to “Wow Matt you’re so strong! You did 700W for a minute and then 400W for 2 hours”, “Yeah, I knew I had to go hard to break it up” “Wow you also did 1000W a couple times during that” “Yeah I had to go hard to get a gap”.
It just isn’t actionable or entertaining to me anymore.
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I actually thought Keegan’s last interview was one of his better ones. Feel like it really got into some of his base training strategies and also sort of corresponds with the TR base season approach. Felt like in the past he wouldn’t touch on much detail outside of the shootout and spirit tour.
I think he’s also been really good on the cooldown with Alexey.
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I agree. They keep teasing a new release, but they haven’t even solved basic and persistent bugs within the iOS app. Support just acknowledges them release after release. What about the basics of having an outdoor workout appear with the same graphics and info as an indoor workout? They need to double down on improving and refining the current software.
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On Bonk Babes, Sofia was making sounds like maybe she’s thinking about being done with racing when her current contract with Specialized is up (2027), which makes me wonder where Keegan’s head is at. Or, if not done with racing, at least shaking things up a bit. Either way, it could make current training practices feel less proprietary.
The Grand Prix series is crazy long, so it is not surprising to hear that at the end people are ready for a break. Not to mention she has been in the game for a minute. Nothing wrong about thinking about the next chapter.
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Exactly! Not much usable content. I also enjoyed the fun Nate added. It kept it fun but he also added enough knowledge to ask the right questions, to say nothing about how much Chad’s deep dives were. I was so glad to have had that before but now it’s so stale.
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