Getting Dropped on group rides

So 500 tss / week average including rest week.

So per 4 week cycle, 1 week of 250 tss and 3 weeks of 583.33 tss ?

Seems alot with TR on its most aggressive settings/plan builder options only giving me weekly tss goals of 490-510, but thats the effort weeks only. The rest weeks are being planned as 160 tss but can obviously be manually overidden

YMMV, for me I’ve found success with a -5 ramp rate for my recovery weeks. This equates to about 65% of the TSS from the prior training week. If I go much lower I feel really flat coming out of a recovery week and if I go much higher I don’t feel recovered.

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as @MI-XC said, you better find what works for you. I don’t like to go “too low”, but I don’t do any intensity. it’s just easy rides.

Don’t get too fixed in numbers as well. My suggestion was kind of a starting point. Do what works for you, listening to your body. If you feel tired, it’s because you’re tired, take a day or two. If you feel good and strong, put the hammer down.

Also, putting TSS during winter (at least for me) is sometimes challenging. I’m not a huge fan of indoor training, but -25C and 2 meters of snow outside is hard, and putting 500tss/w is way harder than summertime.

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It would depend person to person but I think it’s hard to do too little in a rest week. And the more you did in the preceding weeks the more rest you’ll need.

If I was doing 500TSS/week and that was maybe a touch higher than typical (so a loading phase) then my rest week would probably be in the 250-300TSS range.

My loading weeks are usually between like 650 and 900 (depending on the time I had available) and my rest weeks are down in the 450-500 range. But the confounding variable there is that I rarely take an entire 7 days for a rest week. I’ll usually do something like Mon and Tues off, Wednesday recovery, Thursday easy 2hr endurance (like 65% FTP), Friday off, then 3-4 hour threshold workout Saturday and long endurance Sunday.

That’s been working really well for me since a full 7 days felt like just too much down time.

I cant relate to this to be fair. If I follow TR’s rest weeks to the letter (160 TSS), I come out the following week feeling sluggish & unable to perform the same level I was before the rest. More of a hindrance than recovery

I didn’t recommend you to follow TR’s recovery. I said a -5 ramp rate or about 65% of your previous training weeks. For you at 500 TSS, this equates to about 325 TSS for recovery weeks which is double what TR recommends.

I was meant in relation to the second half of your reply about feeling flat if you go to low :+1:

Did you mean to say you ‘can’ relate?

160TSS down from 500 is a big drop. So I wouldn’t be surprised if it takes an opener ride or two to come back feeling better.

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Oh yea :sweat_smile:

D’oh

When o used to train more seriously and race, rest weeks would be less volume and less reps / shorter durations on my workout days. In other words, I’d still have a workout or two where I pushed some good watts, but they were all scaled down so I freshened up, but the legs were still used to pushing hard. That approach might solve your issue of feeling flat after a rest week