At the mo they all sync, but i could change the garmin ftp after a test. Would TR follow the garmin ride data or make its own IF based on its opinion?
My tss (and ftp, +17) was much higher when training without structure on zwift prior to joining tr in feb. e.g. jan 2024 was 556,449, 575, 511. I said id follow TR to the letter when it came to rest, r/g light and always taking adaptions etc, trust the program etc.
ive now turned off the lights, and made adaptive more aggressive, whilst choosing a plan thats 500+
However what do i do about commutes. if they have no impact i could omit them, but if they dont thats putting me over 600 tss a week?
I would take all power measurements from one single power meter. I believe that TR has a feature to control the trainer via the pedal’s power.
It sounds like adaptive training doesn’t really know what to do with these 15 minute commutes and no power data. If they are truly a low intensity ride, I’d just omit them.
I’m curious the terrain to know what is doing you in. It doesn’t matter who you are, going over your FTP is going to knock anyone down…whether it’s a 100kg guy having to put massive watts down to match group pace or a 63kg guy having to hold 120% of FTP to keep up on flats, no one can do that for long. So, drafting very well and optimizing for aero will help you be there for the climbs where I assume you can excel. And depending on the terrain you are riding, get into that type of workouts in TR (ie Tempo if you get popped on flat roads or Vo2 intervals if it’s on short climbs, Threshold if it’s on long climbs)
Also, sit in for the first half so you get to be there for the end. Tell people that’s your plan. No one else owns your time or effort, it’s your ride.
Whilst I totally get the idea of using a single power meter for all activity, the idea of swapping my pedals from bike to trainer 2-3 times a week sounds like a pain and something destined to cause mechanical issues, e.g. threads being stripped.
Same here, though I don’t mix indoor and outdoor workouts 90% of the time, so it is less of an issue with reporting IF/TSS. From a training perspective, you can mentally adjust for the difference easily, but know that charts will not be helpful unless IF/TSS data is matched. intervals for example will allow you to do just that.
Short time periods on the critical are somewhat all over, but then there was no hard efforts in this ride and being so short, wild readings weren’t unexpected.
The 5, 10 & 20 min however is much closer and within the spec of a Garmin Rally/Tacx neobike combination.
Whilst such comparisons are meant to give answers, if anything this only opens up further questions as to why I can sustain IF 1.05 for 45mins after a IF 1.35 long pull outdoors but cave in completely when trying this indoors.
The power of chasing a carrot?
I guess it equally could be environmental with no wind, using the NeoBikes admittedly awful built in fans, no inertia or anything but zwift to take my mind off the effort or maybe even temperature/humidity.
If sweat is dripping off you indoors before it evaporates, it is likely you are overheating. If you are overheating your performance is going to be inhibited RPE for a given power will be much greater. It may not even be possible to sustain workouts indoors at a high enough percentage of your outdoor FTP to make your training effective.
Entirely makes sense, although I guess it makes TR’s ability to interpret outdoor rides as a direct comparison to indoor rides a bit of a nightmare.
This is certainly what it feels like and heating could be an issue.
My towel and bibs are always soaking when I come off, even on Z2 rides indoors with the few extra drips on the trainer etc. (I was sweating off removing & fitting 2 pedals before the workout even started lol)
Before I got the NeoBike, my last setup involved a 36" Industrial floor fan which whilst loud & not the kind of fan that changes speed based on my power output/hr/speed was an absolute monster when it came to airflow.
Still think that 1.05 for 45m after a good effort is a sign of low FTP, it’s really hard.
Although there’s the cooling thing, usually, at least happens to me, you can put more than you normally would if there’s an incentive.
I have some excellent numbers from Zwift races or group rides we did indoors last winter. Numbers I know for sure I wouldn’t be able just by myself. The “do not lose that wheel” effect is really impressive.
My trainer setup is in an unheated detached garage in the north of Scotland, even in winter with the door open I still need the fan on when the temperature is below zero.
It’s very humid where I live and with only 1 pedestal fan anything above 150W is a sweat fest when the temperature is above 15C
I live in apartment, so my rides are in my bedroom. I usually open the window a bit, but it’s -20C outside, so that doesn’t work because it’s too cold to the point that my feet got cold and I’m still sweating. My fan is really garbage and small, I’ll invest in something this year.
Were close, on an international forum scale. North east UK here.
And likewise im in a unheated (or it was) garage, however im a fanny when it comes to the cold so added insulation, carpet, plasterboard, a towel radiator and 3kw oil heater lol
Now have it set to warm up to 16c before any winter indoor rides.
This threads been informative for how much TSS should be done per week etc, so throwing this in there as its been a few weeks of 500 now (Only 450 last week due to a 12 mile TT on sat meaning some form of tapering was needed).
When were saying 500 a week avg, what kind of TSS are we aiming for during a rest week which I am presuming is not taken into the averages
It is not just the temperature that cools you. It is more the combination of sweat and wind. I have tested doing turbo training in -c degrees and over cooked quite rapidly without fan. Also tested with fan but in those minus degrees it was too cold.
I have found it is better to do real cycling in winter gear or being indoors with good fans.
According to the experts, it is about half of the regular TSS so if you’re putting 500TSS/w, 250.
But, that’s only an orientation, I think the feeling is more important. There are ways and ways of riding. In my case, for instance, I realized I recovered well with 2 days in a row of rest, I can then push 500TSS (as per the example) with low intensity. But if I push 400TSS with 3 relatively short, but intense rides, I cook myself quite beautifully.
As for the second question, yes, the recovery week would be factory into the year average.
