Make it a habit like you have a habit of doing a zero offset before each ride (I hope)
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Youāve had your pedals and cleats for like 5 minutes. Have you even tried walking in your cleats outside yet, or are you judging your ability to walk safely purley based on your experience walking on your hard, shiny kitchen floor?
Garmin Vector cleats are basically Look Keo cleats which are basically the same as the Assioma cleats and so Iād say this look a look-keo-compatible cleat will work and should be āless slippyā than your xpedo cleats.
I already mentioned above that look keo grip cleats work and Iād wager that more guys are using Look Keo cleats with their Assiomas than Garmin Vector Look-Keo-compatible cleats?
Iām curious, are you actually doing your own research in addition to your posts here, or are you pinning all your hopes on the relatively small pool of users in the TR forum?
I mean, thereās an absolute wealth of information and opions online, if you take a few minutes and use the correct search keys. Here is someone elseās opinion on cleats, which adds another variable into the mix for you
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Look Keo grip cleats with my Assiomas and they work fine.
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I appreciate your help so far but if itās going to always come with a side of snide remarks then Iād rather you not help. Between this and your comments about me nitpicking workout target wattages and such, Iāve frankly heard enough.
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Iāve heard this but some also said that the LOOK cleats release more easily than XPEDO which could be a concern during sprinting. Any such issues for you?
Iām no Cipollini but Iām ok at short sprints and have never had an issue. I have the ānewā black spring version and have my tension set about halfway. Seems to work for me for engagement/disengagement.
Cleats are relatively inexpensive ($20 tops?) pieces of kit that are consumable. I would maybe suggest you give them (the Keo grips) a go and see if they work for you.
Cheers.
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Maybe I didnāt quite sugarcoat things enough for you, but if you reflect, youāll see that not one thing I said was inaccurate or unhelpful.
Again, youāve had your pedals for 48h?
You are not going to find perfection within 2 days, you need to read the manual, ride them indoors, outdoors, swap your cleats, change the spring tension in the pedals practice clipping in and out, find cleats that give you a balance between safety not only on your kitchen floor but during a race also.
It is highly subjective and requires trial and error on your part. Nobody in a forum knows if youāre going to unclip when you drop some vulgar wattage in a sprint.
Iām not sure if Edge 810 is considered āmodernā anymore, but on the Edge it is presented on the ābike profileā, not the sensor profile. That lets me switch painlessly between bikes.
Garmin software is a moving target. I think they must fire their development team when a new model is released and then recruit anew when they start development on their next model. Iāve not seen a lot of continuity in the Garmins Iāve been using.
I suppose it could be an issue if you are twisting your foot around during a sprint (and releasing) instead of pushing and pulling. If you are twisting your foot around while riding, Iād worry about that first. Thatās a habit you will want to get rid of.
Getting used to the pedals, walking is still tough but getting a bit better, I took them for a quick stroll outside this morning. Compared them to my Stages PM and I seem to get about 2-3% of a left bias which unfortunately means my Stages has been inflating my total power numbers by 4-6%, so the 300w I recently hit has to come back down slightly. Here are a few comparisons of power with the Stages always being higher since it takes my stronger left leg and doubles it.
240 vs 232, 286 vs 279, 122 vs 108, 294 vs 283, 260 vs 248
As a percentage, I seem to be closer to 50/50 at higher power and further apart at lower power, I occasionally see 60/40 blips but typically only goes as far as 57/43, which is still effectively a 14% difference. The nice thing with dual sided though, is that now I have the data and can start trying to focus on it, whether its just repeating to my self āright, right, rightā as I pedal, or perhaps doing some light strength training on my right leg, but for now Iām just going to follow the program until I figure out how to improve this without introducing extra stress and fatigue that may interfere with the plan.
If anyone is curious you can pop open these two rides and crop sections you want to compare.
TR Ride recorded with Stages: Log In to TrainerRoad
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Good idea not to get too hung up on this, that is āwithout introducing extra stressā ā¦
The podcast took this up recently.
Nailed it for the X10 generationā¦
Very thankful for all of the assistance thus far. When I go into my settings I see ANT+ regarding the ID numbers etc. I am connected via bluetooth because I can see each pedal in my bluetooth connections. I have 4.04 as the latest firmwareā¦ are the pedals auto updated because thereās not an option to look for updates in my settings? Also, under compatibility with other apps, I first selected āunified channel Lā but as wondering if " Dual channel L/R" might be more appropriate for the duo pedals? Bought these to do structured workouts on TR but also to roll around on zwiftā¦
Cheers.
I agree when do the SLF training with the app i notice the L side is always higher than the right on TR. I havenāt tried with a Headunit like Garmin but I think you are right 
I absolutely love mine. I use them on a Peloton doing TrainerRoad workouts. (I work overseas and do all my training when Iām here on a peloton). I did a ramp test on the ānewā equipment (two weeks after my previous which was done with a Stages single non-drive side power meter). I was 1 watt higher than my previous. When I get back to the US I will do some work with both power meters on my bike to compare.
I played with the cleats a bit more and got them to the point where the inside of my shoe does not rub the cranks when pivoted all the way in. The extra float compared to Shimano definitely is noticable, I can actually pivot my foot around while pedaling which I could not do to the same extent as with my SL. Iāll have to wait and see how this feels when out on the road especially when out of the saddle. I was toying with the idea of buying the 0* cleats and trimming them down to effectively have 3* or so (something between black and red) but probably overthinking things right now so I wonāt bother.
First ride doing McAdie the pedals read 212w while the stages read 226, pretty sure I calibrated/offset both, L/R balance was 53-54/46-47
Second ride doing Antelope the pedals read 211w while the stages read 213w, definitely calibrated/offset both, L/R balance was recorded 54/46
Not sure if there was some settle period, or the Stages is inconsistent (more likely), or the pedals are wonky, but Iāve been chatting with one of our members here and the plan is to ramp test with the pedals tomorrow and then use the Stages to mirror my Assioma Powermatched workouts and see how they track.
You said this a couple of times, and it confuses me.
- Shimano SPD-SL Yellow cleats are 6* float.
- Assioma Red cleats are also 6* float. (To the best of my knowledge, these are the ones that come with the pedals?)
Maybe there is a different feel to them, and potentially a different rotation center point, but the stated rotation degrees are identical.
It confuses me also because they have the same stated number. I did read that the pivot point is different (shimano pivots in the middle while Look style pivots at the nose) so maybe thatās what makes it feel different.
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That may be true, and possibly similar to the difference between the Shimano Yellow and Blue cleats that I shared here:
Exactly what is happening here I believe, so there is more side to side movement at the heel here despite the same advertised number. Granted I may get used to it before spring comes around, but i could see this potentially being better for out of the saddle where the shoe has move pivot instead of transferring the forces into the knee, but I donāt know. All I know is that it feels different, it literally feels like almost double the float from before.
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