Fascat Coaching - Coachcat Workout Analysis & AI Coaching

Microsoft Copilot? The only training tip of value is a link to a BWR / FasCat article on training for 4 key segments. Which it turns into a “mentally prepare” instead of “train for” :man_shrugging: Color me not impressed by “general AI” extracting and regurgitating content.

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Fascat have an excellent podcast explains their app and how Coachcat AI works.

I would try it but it seems that you need to use a wearable device to track sleep and HRV. I don’t have one and do not intend getting one.

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I am fiddling with the 30 day trial but it’s not going well. I’ve had to email back and forth multiple times to get AI to prescribe the workout I’m after, the issues trying to sync with wahoo are not Fascats fault but just another reason I’ll probably stick with TR. I’m stretched for time to ride as is, let alone extra time to get a training plan set up.

Schedule workout, send to device, charge and power device, sync device to trainer…

Vs TR, open app, load workout, ride

Anything new is going to have a learning curve. The question I always ask myself - is it worth the learning curve? Which also comes around to why you trialed the app.

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@TexanDad What’s the issues with syncing with Wahoo?

The issue is more do wahoo spindowns and controlling the workout from my Wahoo bolt.

Has anyone been on FasCat AI for a few months and experienced gains after being on TR? The annual FasCat AI price is comparable to TR. I’ve been on TR for some years and am starting to feel like I need a change. I like that FasCat AI appears to incorporate outdoor rides better, so I can get out of my garage or do group rides without the anxiety that I’m going off plan. I know TR lets you take a workout outdoors but a lot of those workouts would be impractical on the road.

I just got my TR rate increase notice and my annual renewal is next week. I’m considering my options around sticking with TR at the new rate. Price is a wash (most of these apps are hovering around the same monthly price for an annual subscription) and so I’m wondering about how people have fared now on FasCat for the similar price.

(But man, subscription fatigue. I probably have to start dropping subscriptions across the board.)

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Im trying the free trial too. It asked me when my event was, and i added a plan to my calendar, BUT it didnt really schedule the workouts around my event, like no taper or anything. Has a 2 hr “race pace” mtb ride the day before the event? Come on AI, you don’t need much intelligence to know thats not a good idea. Asked AI to do a taper amd it say i cant change my calendar.

Half Baked. It may be the future, but the future isnt now. Glad its free

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Maybe try Copilot instead :slight_smile:

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I’ve been on TR for some years and am starting to feel like I need a change. I like that FasCat AI appears to incorporate outdoor rides better, so I can get out of my garage or do group rides without the anxiety that I’m going off plan. I know TR lets you take a workout outdoors but a lot of those workouts would be impractical on the road.

This is EXACTLY how I feel. I’m on the trial of FasCat right now. I do group rides or solo outdoor rides for 80% of my rides and feel like I’m not getting my money’s worth with TR for the 1-2 interval sessions I ride per week.

There are some things I like about Fascat and some things I don’t. I’m about 1 week in, still haven’t decided if I’ll continue.

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Please share your thoughts after your trial!

I decided to re-up with TR for the next year, for now. From what I’ve seen, FasCat’s AI coaching doesn’t seem as mature as TR’s. This coming year will be an evaluation for me on whether I want to proceed further after that.

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I’m the same and trying Xert, there are many things I like but it’s overly complicated

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Enabled the free trial but not been using it. The app keeps crashing or freezing. Totally usable on my phone or laptop.

It’s been working pretty flawlessly for myself. I was on the laptop today and it was working great.

I just signed up for it. CoachCat is kinda good but kinda off. Can’t analyze a race I did a few days ago or give insight on it. I thought that was the point?
Seems like Frank is still pushing a lot of intensity. Four days of SS, vo2, threshold, is a bit much but I’ll try it. I am not a fan of SS and have been on the polarized train the last year so not sure if this will really work for what I want. I tried to build a plan around Gravel Nats that is polarized but is not working out. Will try a few tweaks.

As far as I understand Frank is one of the OGs of sweet spot training. He was involved at the inception on the coaching side. No surprise there.

I’m curious how well Coach Cat works. The idea is very good for the type of business he runs, very complementary to TR’s approach.

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I do know that. I’ve been on Frank’s plans for years, but wanted a change the last year and tried out some Dylan Johnson stuff.

All in all, the app is good and I’m not surprised. He brought over one of the main developers from TrainingPeaks when he was getting this off the ground which is about the time I left TP. But Coach Cat seems like I’m talking to CoPilot or the early ChatGPT. I asked CoachCat to put the plan on my calendar and it just gave me a rundown on what to do. I still have to manually put the workouts/build them.
But - it’s cool. I think Frank will get this streamlined and really doing what we all want it to do down the road. The idea is there and a vast amount of training plans, nutrition guides, etc. I will still tinker with it and use it for at least a month or two.

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Uff, that’s rough. TR has had years and years to work on their training calendar.

I did not know that. I had the impression Coach Cat would automatically generate a workout for you.

The idea was ingenious, because I assume they trained Coach Cat on the conversations with FasCat athletes. That is, a source of known good data in the sense that they (on average) reflect FasCat’s coaching philosophies and are based on coaching fundamentals.

FasCat has a big leg up on TR when it comes to nutrition and strength training, for instance.

Overall, the approach is promising, but getting the integration right is a lot of hard work. Years. I hope they make it!

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So coach cat is extremely positive, trys to make you feel great about whatever you do, even if you totally do not follow the plan….ie not helpful
BUT, i just figured out that if you tell it to be analytical and criticize your workouts, it gets better. Give it a try. I think it stays that way until you tell it to be nice again.

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Ah, interesting, that’s how you switch between different personalities. On the podcast Frank mentioned you can get anything from drill instructor to super soft.

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