this. So many people, even some here,neglect to mention the fact that you can change the intensity of every workout. I don’t know why people ignore this
you have a point but it’s not like it’s one little dude calling out TR it’s a dude people trust who has his own plans to sell and has a lot of subscribers and just gained many more
Welcome to the forums! 
The problem with TrainerRoad Training Plans, in my opinion, is people pick too high a volume, don’t read the weekly tips, and don’t read workout texts (which often tell you to adjust intensity on feel). I think there’s also an issue of people wanting bespoke plans, paying subscriber money, rather than finding (and paying for) their own coach.
Personally, I’d have time to do High Volume. But it would impact on my sleep, and I think I’d struggle with the extra intensity. The option I use, as has been pointed out lots of times on the podcast, is to use extend cooldown and add zone 2.
100% agree. I’m not minimizing him, or his YT video at all. I’m simply pointing out that things like this and the quick volume of posts on the forum will create a rising tide that both ships (DJ and TR) will benefit from. Google algorithms love this kind of stuff – especially when the source platform is their own entity YouTube.
I’ve been a TR user for a long long time. I’m not going anywhere. I don’t follow a plan, but build my own with Workout Creator.
Y’all think TR plans are rough? Remember the old days of Sufferfest?? That was one aptly named product!
Welcome back @Greased_Flea , can I ask what kind of training model you are adhering to now?
And welcome to the forums!
Welcome to the forum Bayo!
Indeed.
When I started training about eight years ago, I was quite pleased to find in forums and podcasts that a lot of people were basing their opinions on scientific research, but as time passed my experience was that more were based on personal experience or weak research and often descended into pseudoscience, particularly if they’re overwhelming desire was to find ‘science’ that supported whatever they already thought. All sorts of Americanisms came into my vocabulary that were in reality just pseudoscience.
I narrowed my intake of information to people who were caviating their advice with the limitations of the studies and not extrapolating beyond that which was reasonable. In my opinion, way back then TR were definitely on my perceived borderline between the two, but I think they have improved a lot since then and now the podcasts are very clear about where research is being judged, and what their opinion of the research is - rather than misrepresenting the science as having an opinion.
I don’t get this infatuation with “masters plans”. You’re defacto old, should be able to take down your intensity or volume by yourself, no? Just pick the workout which wrecks you the most and replace it with Z2 or tempo.I get it “I want a plan and to just follow it” but that’s not the case for most, we don’t all fit in the middle of the bell curve.
That flys in the face of their new planbuilder though.
I doubt it applies to this area. Many of us wouldn’t pick a coach that has the need to dig in into his/her competitors. It’s poor taste to say the least. It also raises some questions to his motives. I
Is a masters rider 50…or 55…or 65…or 95… too many variables to make a plan for everyone.
Think of TR plans as a darn good start point but then flex as required (which is pretty easy with the calendar.).
Personally I need much longer sweetspot intervals (regularly do 2x40mins or longer) than TR provide soon substitute them in. Others wouldn’t want that. Some people want more z2…so substitute it in!
If people want to just blindly follow a standard plan (that will work well for most people BUT not all) that’s their choice, but with podcast, workout notes, plan tips, forum etc there is a LOT of other info people can use to tailor it to their personal needs.
TR is great start point for most people, but TR is not a private personal coach so people (in my view) should be willing to flex/change stuff as required.
Personally (although I change some stuff) think TR do top job
Well I hadn’t heard of him before he started slagging off TR - I can’t comment on his coaching but his self-marketing is top notch.
The irony is that Sufferfest’s plans are very different now with much more sensible distribution of intensity than TR. And they are not using plain vanilla ramp tests to estimate FTP.
Exactly this. TR gives you the base plan and numerous ways to adjust based on your own goals / available time / genetics / history etc.
Again, I would argue it is not. I for my part would pick a coach by his reputation which ultimately boils down to the success of his/her athletes. Picking a coach only because he/she is loud on YouTube seems to be counter intuitive.
I’m not sure but the video doesn’t take into account all the weekly tips and resources from their blog site.
Please read 1) rest of thread 2) the notes to the plans which offer a substitution for the Sunday ride for a Z2 long ride
Dylan Johnson never argued sweet spot training doesn’t “work”. It clearly does.
He argues a polarized approach would yield better gains.
Ummm, he was using the same logic (and wording) as what being used against him…as way to show how ridiculous ancedotal information is.