Hypothetically speaking what would be the downside to declining an increase in FTP and doing progressively harder workouts rather than having PL’s reset?

Your FTP looks / sounds a bit less impressive? Other than that silly reason, probably not much? Taken to the extreme you’d be working the wrong zones eventually, I suppose.

Another worth a look: Higher progression levels or take new FTP test? Overly broad, but pushing up FTP early in the training plan seems a common TR focus. Then moving to focusing on growing Progression Levels is their goal. This is all implemented with the latest update to using the “Auto FTP D…

I’d just use the best estimate of your power at MLSS and not overthink things. As long as your PLs are in the fat part of the PL workout distribution (3–8), I wouldn’t even think about tweaking my FTP.

[image] OreoCookie: I’d just use the best estimate of your power at MLSS and not overthink things. Not overthinking. Asking a hypothetical to spark a discussion.

Depends a bit on how big a bump you’re declining, I guess, but if you’re talking 10 watts out of 250 or 300 then I’d leave it where it is if your goal is endurance. It only really matters for threshold work, right (which includes sweetspot)? Much better to be 10 watts below FTP for 100 minites TiZ …

Agree with @OreoCookie that if all your PLs (or at least the ones you’re actively training) are in the ~3-8 range it really doesn’t make any difference either way. If you were bumping up towards the top of that range for some of your PLs then declining an FTP bump could mean you start to run out of…

This is what I prefer. I think the lower end workouts are not enough stimulus. intervals too short. rests too long. I’d rather be slightly under-FTP’ed but able to do workouts on the higher half of the ranges. SS and VO2 6-8. Threshold 4.5-6.

Depends heavily in the size of the increase. Less that 8 watts, probably doesn’t matter. More than 10, you shortchange yourself by not training harder.

[image] oldandfast: More than 10, you shortchange yourself by not training harder. How so. You’re doing harder workouts by not having your PL drop, and even if the workouts weren’t as hard the survey response/ Adaptive Training would make them harder? Nevertheless. I could only dream of addi…

Declining FTP increase to do harder PL workouts; Pro’s vs Cons?

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