Calculating LT1 and LT2 approximately without a blood test?

I’ll try updating that list this week.

Moxy reminds me of those old Commodore Atari times, they really have to work on the product design at this price point.

The only wearable that could get me currently is this breathing rate thing. But this would be a winter toy for the basement

However, somehow I have lost any motivation to spend money on toys. Current situation and so. Even though I am not really affected financially.

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Our formerly local Kona age grouper moved to Kona, and she posted on Strava a couple times this season wearing that $5000 oxygen mask thing. Benefit of her choosing the right coach :joy:

Source:

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Wow, sounds familiar but I only did during ride and after ride checks for 5 months. Got tired of it. Attia is not messing around. I feel lazy now, and cheap. Costs him like a dollar a ride :sweat_smile: (assuming he gets his strips from Jerry)

“Trainer Road”. See that?

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I reviewed his numbers on that sheet of paper, and comments on lactate variations. Simply reinforced my pragmatic trending analysis of power @ 140-bpm (my HR proxy for LT1).

I use the talk test. I started about 20 watts lower than I’m at now last year. Today’s workout was 2 1/2 hrs steady at upper zone 2. Watched British Detective shows.

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Steve Magness had good post on zones. Basically, don’t get too caught up in the precision of zones and overemphasize it.

the zones and the borders between them are arbitrary. For the most part, they are not concrete. Even though we treat them as such.

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Hahaha…we all thought similar. Good 'ole sryke!

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I beg to take note of the entire statement :slight_smile:

By the way, I really like him as a podcast host. Enjoyable.

And I found it interesting to note how he stayed silent with this recent polarized battle. He is even an author of the pro paper. He is pretty smart with ducking his head on social media. He figured this out early, I’ve noticed this several times now.

Mmmm … we should really open up a socia media thread.

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You guys think I’m a ranting whiner over this stuff now? Go ahead and open a social media thread if you want to watch a grown ass man cry and lose his mind in real-time. You’ll be able to follow my descent into madness from each successive post.

For the love of all that is holy…don’t start one I’m begging you.

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I liked his ‘almost haiku’

Lots of easy
Occasionally go hard, vary it up
Very rarely, go see God.

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How are people getting on training with lactate?

hmm, I thought this was the ‘how do you estimate/guess at first (aerobic) lactate threshold’ to help with training thread.

I’ve self-estimated endurance/zone2 HR using long 8-12 hour rides in the mountains as “all day HR” and aerobic threshold.

After a couple months where life had me doing lower training volume, a month later I’m back to all-time (previous was 2017) high power at top of endurance/zone2 HR. Those rides are in 80-90F / 27-32C temps, versus earlier this season the temps were around 60F / 16C for same power-to-HR. Yes there is a vo2 bump from training in the heat, and its mostly offset by training in the heat. I’m starting to think it might be a good idea to try the sauna at the gym when temps drop in late October.

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So apparently mobile metabolic cart products are coming to the market. I have never heard of this start up company nor do I even know if this works or is credible, but, if anyone wants to measure the breath for metabolic calculations and analysis this product exists:

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VO2 Master has been out for years but it’s $5000+ so this will be interesting if it’s accurate.

Interesting that it doesn’t quote any data comparing it to a properly calibrated metabolic cart or similar. Also can a company such as this be viable just selling one product with no ongoing revenue stream via a subscription. Remember Humox muscle oxygen sensor and Oura ring went to a subscription model after 2/3 years. All the “reviews” I’ve found just seem to be regurgitated press releases. I’ll be watching it though with interest.

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I’m not sure about the low hanging fruit part. Endurance physiology studies have maybe dozens of participants and in the grand scheme of things, there’s a tiny amount of research that’s been done into any of this. I think we’ve just scratched the surface.

After 2 years of doing more endurance focused work I have a good graph from Intervals.icu on power-vs-HR at relatively the same FTP:

That is % threshold HR (LTHR).

Previous seasons I did not have good data between 90-150W. What’s somewhat interesting is its basically a straight-line below FTP, which is what I’ve seen in several studies on PubMed.

That graph does require some context, as it can reflect the type of intervals you do, if you do some z1 work, etc., etc.

The “benches” at 83% and 85% and 88% LTHR are interesting, however I’m not sure if they reflect the work I’m doing or have some basis in physiology. I will say that 83% is where I detect a small change in breathing, during warmups. And that 88% is an average HR that I can sustain on harder 6-7 hour efforts without feeling crushed for days.

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Thanks for sharing, some comments:

It’s really a shame. You have been training for 7 years and can’t produce a chart with at least 2-3 different “seasons”.

That’s why I always advice ppl that if they are going for powermeter, always get dual side and a high quality one.

Too short and too early for effective detection

This type of chart is mostly (only?) useful for comparisons in my opinion. You need at least 2 curves.

I believe your “average” methodology is quite flawed, if I understood it correctly. Unless you have a ride with steady HR 88% of LTHR for 6-7 hours, I don’t think you can make the average claim.

Finally, it’s interesting that your curve doesn’t exhibit the chaotic behavior typically observed above 120% of FTP.

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