How do people approximately calculate their LT1 and LT 2 without a blood test?

[image] AJS914: They are going by power in steps to cross DFA a1. I think the way to go is by HR. My power at DFA a1 can vary quite a bit based on freshness but it tracks pretty accurately with HR whether I’m fresh or fatigued. Agree. This has been my experience as well. And also why I don’t …

[image] AJS914: As I said, DFA a1 triangulated pretty well with the ISM talk test and Seiler’s percent of HRmax recommendation. I don’t follow Seiler, however if he is saying 60-70% HRmax that is 105-122bpm for me. Which is a super easy recovery ride for me. My “all-day HR” and DFA a1 are muc…

[image] tshortt: I think he estimates 60-70% of HR Reserve , not HR max , right? I listened to him on several Fasttalk podcasts and I think he says something different every time. :slight_smile: But, yeah, that is the ballpark based on my recollection. A few years ago, I did my first Seiler…

[image] AJS914: I listened to him on several Fasttalk podcasts and I think he says something different every time. :slight_smile: But, yeah, that is the ballpark based on my recollection. A few years ago, I did my first Seiler style base block. 60% was excruciatingly slow. 70% was 128bpm so I …

Therein lies the difference between a researcher looking at training logs/data, and a coach.

[image] WindWarrior: On those 138-142bpm rides it definitely feels like I’m working, they require some focus/fueling/hydration, and while breathing is relatively easy it is not a recovery coffee ride where I would want to, or could carry on a conversation. Yes I could have a short conversation, …

[image] AJS914: I did the pledge of allegiance test. Can you say it without pausing for air? No. When I read some of your posts, I think you are riding too easy :wink: At least if you were me. I tried the bottom of Friel’s HR-zone2 / upper middle HR-zone2 of Coggan’s “I don’t want to give the…

[image] tshortt: This was my “late 2018” frustration with those early Seiler interviews. I remember thinking: “surely it isn’t this slow.” And it isn’t. I’ve related this story a number of times. A few years ago my 125bpm was really, really slow. 120bpm was getting on the bike and pedaling a…

[image] WindWarrior: No. When I read some of your posts, I think you are riding too easy :wink: See the story above. I made enormous gains in 7 weeks of riding slow. My mistake that year was not shifting gears into a tempo/ss/ftp block. Or, maybe doing a VO2 block. This year, I’m doing 2+ ho…

Opposite here, 9 months of endurance rides at the bottom of Friel HR-zone2 or low-mid Coggan HR-zone2 was at best causing me to tread water. Only did “zone2 only” for 8 weeks, and after that added sweet spot and later some higher intensity work and fast group rides. Should have known better, when I …

Calculating LT1 and LT2 approximately without a blood test?

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AJS914 March 14, 2022, 6:43pm 659

I don’t recall as I’ve heard him many times on several different podcasts. From your description, I think you are riding a little bit harder than the ISM talk test.

I did the pledge of allegiance test. Can you say it without pausing for air?

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Calculating LT1 and LT2 approximately without a blood test?

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