Body Weight and AI FTP

I updated my body weight (increased) in the app and the AI FTP prediction went down a watt. Then as a test I decreased my weight and AI FTP recalculated and went back up a watt. I know it’s just a watt but why would it adjust.

Does anyone know how TR uses your body weight? I always thought it was just to calculate the w/kg.

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I updated my weight, down 1.5 lbs, and AIFTP recalculated but ended up with the same number. Not sure what’s going on here as I don’t recall TR mentioning weight and/or w/kg being a factor in AIFTP.

I just checked again and it does the same. This time I change my weight to 100 lbs and AI gave me 244 watts. At 192 lbs I get 143 watts and 196 lbs I get 142 watts. Maybe I should use my AI predicted weight of 100 lbs going forward.

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Yea totally get it’s just 1W. But would be good for all to know from TR if weight is a factor or not.

A watt loss here and there starts to add up.

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@eddie - is this a bug?

I don’t know if they do include user weight in their model, but it would make sense that they did. a 400W FTP for someone who weighs 100kg might mean they still have a bit of room for improvement, but if someone weighs 60kg with a 400W FTP, then they have reached their genetic limit for sure.

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That’s one part, but changes in weight - especially quick and significant ones - could also hint at fueling issues or increased fatigue, which in turn impact FTP.

As long as it’s just 1 or 2 Watts, it might just as well be a rounding error in a formula somewhere and very insignificant in the real world and long term.

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One watt could just be a 0.1 watt rounding difference.

If this behavior is a byproduct of AI, that often means there is no “formula” or algorithm in play. There doesn’t have to be a “why” behind it (at least not programed into the system), it can just be a reflection of what the data/pattern predicts. We don’t know the inner workings of the TR system and all we can do is speculate, but there is often no explanation for the outcomes in AI-driven systems unless that part is specifically developed and exposed (which can be much harder than simply predicting the outcome). The change in weight might have associated that user with a different pattern that predicts a slightly different outcome, no logic/reason provided.

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Nope. No bug here.

Weight is one of the many things fed into the model.

I can’t really say more about how that affects things, but keeping your weight accurate and up to date will likely help the model become even more accurate. :+1: :balance_scale:

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Eddie - thanks for clarifying. I don’t think weight accuracy is mentioned in the new TR AI rollout or any other posts here. Might be good to let the masses know.

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That being the case, do y’all have any plans to sync weight from Garmin Connect, etc.? I update it in Garmin pretty much every day but I’m too lazy to update it manually elsewhere; if it synced automatically it’d be sweet.

Not that I know of, but I’ve just shared that suggestion with the team. :+1:

I use another platform that pulls my weight data from Apple, so maybe we could start pulling health data from others as well…

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Agree. If its important being able to have my scale automatically update it would be great.

Maybe TR should not link weight to AI. I don’t see anything that AI is reading that can determine what type of weight I’m gaining/ losing and where. I could have gain 5 lbs of leg muscle or 5 lbs of fat in my gut and AI won’t know.

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…because it’s a highly nonlinear “black box” and we don’t really know :grinning_face:

I say this, jokingly, as someone who works day to day building ML models