So I haven’t used TR for several years. But I still listen to the podcast and follow the forum. I decided to jump on board with the latest AI update.
AI FTP detected my FTP pretty close to what I thought it was (AI 248, my recent training 245). After creating my plan it gave a 272 prediction. I did most of the workouts but had some changes and ended the 4 weeks with 262. Still seems reasonable to me. My first workout at the new level was over unders and honestly I hate those and since I haven’t done a lot of threshold training I find them difficult. So I stopped the workout at the end of the second set at replied with a very hard RPE and intensity for the reason of stopping the workout. I knew my future predicted FTP would go down, but what AI did is left my current FTP at 262 and the next predicted is 255.
Why not readjust my current FTP instead of leaving it at 262 and then predicting a new one after the next training cycle? So AI was confident I was at 262, but now it is predicting 255 in 4 weeks. This doesn’t makes any sense to me.
I dont know but even more confusing is why you wouldnt rate it as Max Effort since you were not able to complete it. I dont think it changes your current FTP, but the workouts are adjusted according to among other things, your responses.
Workouts dont care about your FTP
that is a whole ‘nother can of worms. Im not a fan of it myself but to answer your original question, in my experience it matters how you answer the survey questions. If i say Very Hard when the ‘prediction’ was Hard i sometimes get a drop in my predicted future FTP…..
Why would you not rate this as a “fail”? Not able to complete the workout for any physical reason should always be a fail. When you rate it as very hard or fail, TR will; ask why you failed and make adjustments based on both answers.
I’m almost sure it would. I failed a workout (finishing only 3 of 5 threshold intervals) the day before an AI FTP detection. If I chose Very Hard my FTP prediction stayed at increasing 2%. If I chose Max Effort - Intensity, which I did, my FTP stayed the same.
Yes it would have lowered my predicted FTP even more and reduced my workouts more. Ultimately that is not what my comment is about.
My concern or lack of understanding is how as of this morning the FTP detection was 262 based off the past 4-weeks of TR AI Training Plan. But today I get a workout that I didn’t complete and now I am going to have a lower FTP in 4 weeks than they predicted I had this morning.
You hadn’t done much threshold. So, the system didn’t have good data on you. The system got new data and changed its prediction. Keep in mind that the AI FTP is correlated to your threshold ability above any other zone. You had probably made progress in other zones and it was guessing about your threshold ability.
It’s very possible to quit a workout without getting to max effort simply because you weren’t in a mental or physical space to give max effort at that particular time and place!
The system does not need to lower your FTP in order to give you easier workouts.
It will just give you lower PL workouts instead.
If you look at your threshold workouts between now and your predicted FTP date they have probably droped below level 4 and the one after your FTP prediction date should be around level 4.
You will not be going harder workouts now and easier after your FTP goes up - it will be a gradual trend upwards as you would expect.
Don’t worry too much about your FTP setting - it’s the actual watts of the workouts that is important.