@Jonathan at the end of today’s podcast on 27 March, you mentioned an upcoming feature where workouts in the future will be blurred out. Please make this feature optional. As someone who travels frequently for work, I find a lot of benefit in being able to see future workouts and move them around based on my travel schedule.
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I agree with @rkoswald; please make this optional. Personally, I want to see what TR thinks my upcoming workouts should be, and then seeing to what the TR adaptive model wants to change them. While I think that blurring future workouts might be beneficial for some users, I think it might be detrimental (or at least frustrating) to others. So, I’m hoping this is an optional feature.
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I caught that comment as well. Agree with others that I sure hope they make it optional. But it wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t. You see a lot of folks questioning the logic of future workouts on the forum. I can imagine TR might be burning a few cycles on the support side explaining that future workouts are basically holding places that are subject to change based on what happens between now and those future workouts. And I guess they could save a good bit of processing time/power if they only adjusted workouts as they approached rather than constantly adjusting the entire future plan. I recently noticed that the system didn’t adjust any workouts in my next phase until the day that phase started (so it was showing a workout with a totally wrong progression level until adjusting the day of the workout). I didn’t think it always worked that way, but maybe I just never ran into it before. But it sounds like they might be applying that same approach beyond the phases and only adjust a week (or day) as they come and hide the rest. I can’t imaging not being able to see workout details at least a week ahead, but I guess we’ll see.
He did say that you’d still be able to see the basic structure of the workout, but I’m not sure what that means. If it’s just the type and sub-type (ie - Threshold/Over-Unders, Vo2max/Traditional), that’s not much detail. I like to review what’s coming and I’m often deciding whether my Tuesday or Thursday intervals might be better inside or outside depending on specific power targets and intervals times (to best match terrain I have available for training). My preference is to do one or the other outside, so I like to see the details of each to make a call. I use a lot of alternate workouts anyway for outside workouts, so maybe this is just one step closer to me choosing all my workouts manually and basically let TR suggest the type and subtype. Not the end of the world either way, but it would be nice if they at least show the week ahead with actual workout details.
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yeah, there seems to be a happy middle ground. Everything in future would not be good for me, but I guess I’d be fine with overview details on everything past the coming week.
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I like seeing the future workouts but I see why they want to blur it. I just hope they extend it from just being the next workout to next week’s workout just to be able to move it around. But I guess we’ll see how much info they show
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I would love this feature. I spend far too much time prophesizing doom looking at my upcoming workouts on my calendar lol.
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I think it would be good to keep the following week in view and blur the rest, if blurring is coming in as default. For me this would be a good halfway house.
I don’t get too hung up on future workout changes, but I do like getting into my head the general feel of the up and coming days. To not see this would be a miss.
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I think the blur mostly applies to workouts AT hasn’t figured out yet when you have a long period set in plan builder. It’s the reason I don’t like any of this new “custom” plan builder malarkey. When I was messing around with it I set my date range through 6 months or so to my A event at the end of July. Past 4 or 8 weeks it hadn’t a clue what I would do then without adaptations/adapting as it had the same 2 workouts scheduled on the same 2 days for weeks during consecutive 4 week blocks. Literally the same 2. I agree with the other folk that I’d like to know what’s coming up which is why I don’t use plan builder and rather the training plans or as those don’t look fun anymore making my own training plans.
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For many human coaches that I have worked with, I would only get a week, or maybe 2 weeks at a time. Then every week, coach would look and what I did, take my feedback, and program the following week. This is basically what TR would be doing. Personally, when I used TR, I was annoyed at adaptive training or whatever it is updating the workouts for 2 and 3 weeks out all the time. What is the point of that? Let’s get through the current week, look at all your workouts, not just a single one, and then reassess what we need to do for next week. It seems like the algorithm is too focused on any one individual workout result.
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I def want to see, am motivated by seeing, a look forward to the future workouts in a plan. The fact that adaptations might change them a little doesn’t matter in the regard. I’ve only been on the current adaptive/AI version of TR since Nov, but any plan adaptations have been minor.
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I mostly care about the time commitment.
I usually spend Sunday blocking out my work/personal calendar with training and moving things around to accommodate. The details are less important than duration.
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100% that. Those constant adaptations are extremely annoying and absolutely meaningless. “Blurring” future workouts and simply marking them with duration and zone would be amazing to see.
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110%! In addition to travel (not every location is suitable for every workout), I need to have an idea of how wiped out I’m going to be after the workout so I can plan the rest of the day.
FWIW, I’m also one of those people who logs every meal and weighs every day, always ride with HR and power, look at my sleep and stress data every day, etc.. For me, more info is better than less info.
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How far in advance would workouts be blurred? I could see past 2 weeks being reasonable, but for planning purposes anything blurred less than a couple weeks could pose some planning issues.
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It wasn’t a detailed discussion on the planned feature (just mentioned in the context of a training question), so I think we’re all speculating at this point. From what I remember, it was basically just saying that a new feature is coming to hide details of future workouts, but you’d still be able to see the basic structure. I wouldn’t assume they plan to hide everything after the current day, could be days or weeks I guess. And he didn’t indicate when it would re released, so it might still be something they are figuring out.
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If I was designing this feature, this is what I would do:
- Show “exact” workout for next seven days
- For days 8 to 14 out show workout zone (e.g., Sweet Spot, endurance, etc.), time, progression (e.g., achievable, productive, etc.)
- For days 15+ I would show just zone
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I asked about this in another post.
I remember the response was that there would be place cards with the type of workout for the weeks ahead but the exact workout wouldn’t populate until you where closer to the week of it.
Took it as a card over the day that says Sweet Spot Tuesday for example.
In a sense it’s kind of the way it is now because in my mind I know there’s a good chance my future workouts will change anyway once I’m on the week.
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Personally, I don’t find getting less info to be better. As it is, I can see the deets of future workouts and am aware there might be some very minor changes to them from adaptations. Blurring it out only reduces the amount of info I’m getting. I understand some find seeing that info to be daunting. I find it motivating. Best would be to make it user selectable.
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This.
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I experimented with JOIN Cycling last year and one of my biggest complaints was not being able to see more than 7 days in advance. As I’ve mentioned in the OP and other posts, I adjust my workout schedule both near-term (ie current week) and sometimes long-term (ie try to align recovery weeks with week-long business trips). Hopefully @Jonathan or someone from @support is seeing this feedback.
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