If so what are you opinions? Also vs other trainers or maybe the n1/2 you had?
Thanks @gpl . I tried a friends N1 this weekend and is a pretty awesome trainer but got virtual wheel slip and could not buy a trainer that does that. It might have been just his trainer but was in the little cog and lower cadence 65-70 at 250 watts and got the slip every-time.
I have been contemplating between a N2T or Kickr 18. I was initially thinking of buying a core or h3 but my theory is usually buy once, cry once as I tend to keep things over a long period
@gpl I’m waiting for the follow up video giving the 2T the all clear before I buy it. Luckily, I’m down under as well and the weather is on the improve so no rush from me
I am returning my Neo 2T in favor of the 25% off REI deal for the H3.
The Neo 2T is pretty sweet for Zwift and the native thru axle support is great for swapping bikes quickly.
However, my main focus is TR and @gpl and @dcrainmaker were spot on about the erg mode being super harsh. For me the worst is actually at the end of a vo2max interval, it feels like your chain fell off if you aren’t anticipating the near instant drop of resistance.
I was getting used to how it does erg mode but I just couldn’t justify the price difference over the H3 considering in my case Zwift is usually running in the background with TR controlling the trainer.
The 2T lines up with my Vectors pretty much spot on (compared to my 2017 Kickr). Have Tacx said anything about your ERG mode feedback?
I replaced my Neo 2 and foundit very aggressive during threshold and Vo2Max intervals. I even had to lower the intensity sometimes.
Does anyone have @gpl and @dcrainmaker 's video link?
@gpl I saw your video on Pioneer reading low. Do you also experince it on Neo? My Pioneer reads 10 watts lower than my Neo while doing threshold and any above workouts.
Regards
I replaced my NEO 1 with a NEO 2T and continued to train with the exact same FTP, so no “underestimation” issues there for me, at least from what I can tell by RPE.
I would describe it as “more responsive” and not as “more aggressive” compared to the NEO 1.
The only issue I had: the left/right cadence sensor (introduced with the NEO 2 series) was not compatible with my MTB setup, I needed to extend my left crank. Tacx provided me with an extension set, but I prefer my DIY solution.
It’s pretty boring, it just works.
I have Pioneer CA600 where I can see L/F power readings.
when I do TR workouts, lets say at 320Watts, I see that while TR reads my power at 320 watts when connected to NEO directly, Pioneer is at around 310.
I will record again see it with DCR Analyzer.
Thanks
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The numbers you’re quoting are bang on what I’ve seen across the board.
Sorry, having English as a second language, not sure if I understand well
This has been my impression as well. I have a gen 1 Kickr and Neo 1 that I had been training on. I switched to the Neo 2T for my road bike and use the Neo 1 for my TT bike now.
With the caveat that I use power match, I have continued to train with the same FTP and have had no concerns with the power output. RPE and exectution of intervals seems spot on. The lack of wheel slip is really a game changer in certain types of workouts. As for the responsiveness in erg mode, I like the way it is implemented. It maybe because I use power match, but it doesn’t feel like a wall, but it is a much more solid transition, where on the Neo 1 it was a more gradual on/off over a few seconds.
Other than the whole cadence issue thing that was resolved with firmware .32, I am really happy I bought it.
This is what I was looking for as I liked the feel of neo1 that I rode but could not deal with the wheel slip long term.
Thank you.
Yes it is dual side Shimano
I saw your video on it.
Great info.
By the way, I have this evening recordings on both TR and Pioneer.
I will check it tomorrow and publish it here
I did Kern-1 last night using my Neo and Pioneer. Definitely 10 watts different. I wish I had a chance to measure it outside with pedal based PM.
Got my Neo 2 last weekend. Its consistently reading ~10% lower than my Assioma Duo pedals, which is pretty disappointing. A big goal with this was to setup the TT bike on the Neo and leave the Assiomas on the road bike so I can go back/fourth between indoor and outdoor without moving any gear. If I use Powermatch with the Assiomas and the Neo workouts are perfectly normal, but then using just the Neo the workouts are significantly harder.
Going to try to do some troubleshooting, maybe try out a static weight test to make sure my Favero’s are still reading right, but I have no reason to question them. So far I’ve been using my road bike on the Neo with an almost new Ultegra chain/105 cassette, so I can’t imagine I’m losing 20watts @ 200watts to drivetrain losses, but I’ll swap the TT bike on and see how it goes.
I’m probably going to return the Neo if I can’t get it reading closer to my Assiomas (without just manually adjusting the Assiomas down).
I’m pretty dissapointed in reading this as I’m getting a neo 2t next week, but as a replacement to my 2 which failed after 4 months of use.
Is the somewhat inaccurate wattage and the harshness of the erg mode something than can be fixed via a firmware update?
I am getting my neo 2t on Friday so we will see what happens.
in my case, there is nothing wrong with Neo. it is my PM that is reading low
Yes, theoretically. It sounds like they may be getting closer but still not there yet.
Ahhh I am sure my 4iiii left crank watts will be different than the N2T numbers wise but maybe not. If so I wont be bothered much as I will just go with it and see what the difference is and adjust my ftp since i will not be using power match.
Will post after I get my first ride in but I am expecting to love it just like I enjoyed my friends N1 without the tire slip.