Anyone else getting chat-bot-esque responses to support requests?

TLDR: I think TR is using ai to respond to support requests (see screenshots below).

I recently reached out to TrainerRoad support via email hoping to get some help and insight about my recent training. I reached out via email because I didn’t want to post my calendar publicly on the forum. In short, my reason for reaching out is that I’m hoping someone can look at my calendar and help me understand why my ftp has only gone since the tr update, despite completing every workout. I’m not that upset about the Ai ftp thing. I understand it’s just a metric. My training has been going well and I’m getting stronger. I was curious about how my recent increase in outdoor riding and demanding training approach for my current plan might be impacting the model. I mentioned that I race enduro and that riding outside is a really important part of my training.

To my surprise, the response I received from a “person” named Tiffany appeared to be completely ai generated (very chat-gpt sounding). The formatting is typical of what an LLM chatbot would respond with: bolded section headers, numbering, and bulleted lists. The content itself was unhelpful with a bunch of general information on enduro and trainerroad that I could easily find on the website or get from asking chat gpt myself. As you can imagine, I was quite disappointed and frustrated with this response and so I wrote a response expressing this. I also included an anecdote that another friend who uses tr recently had a great exchange with support that actually helped with a lot of my questions.

Again, I received a response that was completely unhelpful full of seemingly ai generated slop. The responder claimed to have looked at my calendar extensively but then proceeded to say:

“Have you ever considered completing your structured Workouts outside? Here’s an idea which you can maybe try out: Even without a power meter, you can still complete intervals outside using RPE instructions.”

If they would have looked at all they would have seen all of my recent outdoor rides have power.

I am posting on here because I’m incredibly disappointed and frustrated with this experience. It’s pretty funny to me that TR has said on the podcast how much better their product is than using a LLM for training yet uses an LLM to respond to genuine support requests from customers. Also in that podcast, Nate mentioned that he hoped to incorporate a chat bot into TR at some point that could answer questions about peoples specific calendars and plans. I wonder if this is some version of that they are testing out.

Has anyone else experienced this? Do any staff from TR want to chime in here and defend this?

My account isn’t public but staff are welcome to look at my account and share info about my calendar if they would like to.

Using canned responses to FAQ is pretty normal. You can run the text into a reverse LLM checker if that interested.

Well they preach AI as the answer to training so…

Jokingly warned Nate that ‘AI’ in the product name was a bad idea, most people don’t know the difference between ML and LLMs… and public perception of LLM/AI is going to sour at some point, if not already?!

Mind you, TrainerRoad ML doesn’t quite have the same ring..

What was your original question to support?

I have no experience here, but if your theory is correct, that would at least part;y explain why the chat went away for a while and then returned.

My original question was basically help me understand why my ftp keeps going down even though I’m sticking to the plan given to me. I also asked about having the the approach set to demanding and how my outdoor rides might be impacting it.

I know other companies that have internal Ai chat bots things for FAQ so that seems likely. It’s probably just trained on the tr material.

They say on the support page if you don’t feel comfortable posting your calendar on the forum, email support. I guess I just assumed I would be getting a human to look at my account and respond.

@Myco_mtb thanks for bringing this up. I’ve read through your thread and your ticket, and your frustration is completely fair.

Tiffany is actually a real person, not a bot. We do use AI tools to help draft responses more quickly, but the ideas, investigation, and any actions taken on your account are handled by humans. We expect our agents to review and personalize everything before it goes out.

In this case, that didn’t happen the way it should have. The response you got was generic and wasn’t given the attention it deserved. Sorry about that. That’s not the kind of support we want to deliver.

I’ve already been digging into your calendar, and I’m following up in your support ticket with more details on how your outdoor riding and training load might be interacting with the FTP model. You should see a message from me shortly.

@Pbase Chat was offline recently due to high ticket volume after the latest release, not a change in strategy.

Rest assured, we’re not planning on replacing our human support agents with bots. We still think humans are the only ones who can truly dig into the nuances of a training calendar, and we don’t have plans to change that.

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I really appreciate the response, thank you.

Nice to see that TrainerRoad doesn’t plan to change their strategy in their customer support, because it has been great the few time I have to contact them. Although I can imagine that latelly with AI upgrade it is being tested to the extreme!