Any downside to manual FTP adjustment with the new AI system?

6th Feb too. I’ve got a 4.5 (Indianhouse -1) the day before, and then 6 days later 3.6 (Wheel -2) - though obviously that may change during those 6 days.

:smiley: I hope things have normalized by now.

Mine was actually rather understanding most of the time as I converted her to TR for 2026, but I did have to argue with her a lot about where the platform’s headed. She’s firmly in the “no visible RPE” camp, for example, among other things.

First threshold after prediction: Kaweah Queen (Threshold 3.4) on 19.02

Reason I asked is because during the beta I mentioned during a friendly argument with Nate that I thought level 3 workouts were too low and I’d rather be normalised at at least level 4.

Could be a coincidence but I haven’t been prescribed a level 3 threshold workout since and my first workout after the 6th is a level 4.0 - which kind of indicates I’m being normalised to 4 not 3 :thinking:

I’m wondering if my account has had a little experimental tweak?

Could be barking up the wrong tree - but I don’t seem to be as affected by this issue as some of you others - I’m not spectacularly “in the wrong zones” for instance

Might also just be because my sweetspot level wasn’t particularly high - “only” level 7 or 8 I think?

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A few people reported having Cloudripper-2 on 07.02 when FTP prediction came out. It’s international Cloudripper-2 day for a reason. It’s Threshold 4.0

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SS 4.4 then Threshold 2.8

Oh yeah I forgot about that! :rofl:

Ignore me :+1:

Last Threshold workout before prediction: 5.1

Prediction +19w (up 7.6%)

Next Threshold workout: 2.8

Last Threshold workout before prediction: 4.2

Prediction +11w (up 4.3%)

Next Threshold workout: 3.6 (Wheel -2) 3 days after prediction and first hard workout.

pretty damning…

My first workout post prediction is Saturday Feb 7th and is Cloudripper -2. I assume that is everyone’s workout if their first is a 90 minute Threshold, as they said the model is deterministic.

Interesting observation just now. I checked my first workout after the predicted AiFTP bump. It’s a VO2 workout that’s supposed to be 4*5 at 112%, but when I click it now it shows me the wattage I’m supposed to be holding when I do the workout in three weeks, but it is shown with my current FTP, so the power targets are adjusted to make it match. Meaning that if I hover over the intervals now it’s shown as 5 minutes at 120%. For refference, today I did 2 minute intervals at 112% and rated it hard.

There was a bug in the beta where the AI didn’t take into account the FTP change so the workouts were not being adjusted correctly - I thought it was fixed though :person_shrugging:

Manually changing the FTP up and down 1w fixed it.

EDIT: actually in your case the “not recommended” might be it correctly taking into account your current fatigue…

For those who may have missed it, there was a ~2 minute segment on the Q & A podcast where Nate commented on the use-case some people had of using the old AIFTP number for pacing & how you might accomplish that in the new system by down-adjusting your FTP until an (AI) Threshold workout hits eg. Level 5 Threshold (if that combo of old AIFTP at a Level 5 Threshold was informative for you); Nate then went on to briefly mention a future feature of Absolute Levels (this came up briefly in the Beta program thread too in a post by Nate)…

Teed up at 52:39: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0_ViMBmHGM&list=PLrKJ0zeMQrI61wqXR8MUBXBHPk5Rli1yH&t=3159s

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I think there is a current bug with similar workouts to a scheduled one showing as not recommended.

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Mine will be the old cloudripper level 4.4 (the 2 hour version).

Based on the numbers, with my AIFTP going up another 8w, I don’t think I’ll be able to pull it off. The unders will def be above what I could hold for 25m or so. The overs are well into my vo2.

This thread is becoming a therapy session lol.

What are your training approaches in SS/Threshold?

Sweetspot

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  • Aggressive
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Threshold

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I am similar but the bump in FTP means my sweet spot is now a threshold workout.

My SS was a 4.5 and the threshold workout was Kaweah Queen 3.4.

If I look at Kaweah Queen now it indicates there is a higher chance of failure for me to do the workout and it is not recommended. Bumping my FTP by 6% to me doesnt give me better workouts. Things were going fine before. As I near being 66 and being not well for the last two years the current system doesnt feel like a fit. The lower FTP was working better even if the workouts were easier I was getting stronger.

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I’d say that so far it doesn’t look like our struggles are based on training approach.

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Thanks…I haven’t heard all of the second podcast yet…. but that’s consistent with a convo I had during the beta.

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My first thresh session after a predicted ftp increase is indeed Cloudripper -2 and it has a predicted difficulty of Hard.

edit: I should add I got a pretty big FTP increase during beta.