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The problem with this as a suggestion is that they’d need to have many options for the settings for individual preferences, which I imagine to be not worth the effort. For one, I hate having to wait until the first day of a new block before that blocks workouts are adapted. I want to see all the way to the end of the block…

For the example above, I bet it doesn’t adapt heaps of times, though you’re right that it’ll probably change, so far the Weekend Sweet Spot, which appears to be aimed as an easier workout, is much less likely to get a bump in PL :man_shrugging:.

Don’t @HLaB The effect of associating a TT race effort with a TR workout is to raise that Progression Level (eg Threshold) from say 6 to to around 12 or 13 or so. Then, to your absolute joy, all subsequent Threshold training workout PLs are based on that new PL. It is NOT what you want. Trust me. Been there, tried that. Undid it. See my earlier post.

Do, however find matching TR workouts and associate them outside training rides after the fact to sensibly affect your PLs. That is easy, and makes much more sense.

yeah, I’m not 100% sure on the workout library because I think the training plans have changed also on the old app. In any case to use AT I have to use the new app and then it will sync also on the old one as well.

You maybe didn’t see my follow up post. Whilst I did it for the B25/8 as a sensitivy test, I decided it was too sensitive and decided not to associate any more TTs :+1: IMC it only went up a SS PL from less than 3 to 4.2, I did decide it was too big a step if I added more. It did take me a while to find the right workout which had the same IF, TSS and power profile as the B25/8 which hopefully achieved more realistic PL changes.

Anybody notice “Not Recommended” flags on workouts/rides in their calendar? I just noticed them on the web calendar. I’m in SSBLV2 & taking immense liberty re-structuring my plan :rofl: I’m probably not the best candidate for AT Beta especially because I’m in no mood to be doing over unders right now. I think these not recommended rides are not updating my PL’s -I currently have a support reques in to check on this.

Edit to update post: Tech support has updated my the workouts which changed my PL’s & now the “Not Recommended” tags are gone from the workouts.

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Are adaptations considered for workouts added to the calendar via TrainNow? Or is it only considered via Alternates for a scheduled workout?

The only workouts that get adapted are ones on your plan from Plan Builder, but any workout, TrainNow, or alternate, will affect your PL’s and thus future adaptations.

So after my FTP increased and my PLs reset to 1.0 I got a fair amount of adaptations that decreased my workout load, especially for my Threshold and Sweet Spot rides. But seemingly it missed one random workout:

If you look at October 20th, I have a Threshold 5.0 workout while all my Threshold workouts are 1.x, 2.x. And for reference Week 10 (the week after) is my last week of the training block before recovery so I imagine that should have the toughest workouts?

Great idea to put a MV plan in Mo-Fr, I may try that

Probably ask support or just wait for next round of adaptations once you got going.

Yeah I was first concerned doing M-F straight would make me too spent for any weekend rides but it didn’t take long to adjust and it has worked out great. It’s nice to have the weekends free for outdoor rides or life.

And I’ll probably wait another week or so and see what adaptations bring me.

I know for a fact this has been answered before but I don’t know where, or if things have changed since AT’s introduction.

I am okay following the plans, but because of how my work is scheduled I don’t always do the workouts on the exact dates that they are filled in as in Plan Builder. So for example, if I scheduled a ride for a monday, I will sometimes do that ride on a tuesday, moving other rides back as well as needed.

In the past, I believe this messed with AT and any adaptions. Will this still be an issue? I would be moving the dates day of or the day before the workouts, so my assumption was they would be adapted and then even if there was a disconnect after I moved them, I could still complete them and see my performance levels change. Would performance level changes from a workout I had moved (such as above) reflect into adaptions for future planned workouts that I had not moved around?

I sometimes do the same - my work is weather dependent - but I’ll only do it either on the day of the scheduled workout or the day before. But I only do so once any adaptations have been applied from previous workouts, so even if I know I’m going to have to move a workout sometime next week I’ll only do it on the day.

The rescheduled workout will still count to future adaptations.

From what I’ve read on here and the couple of times I’ve did it moving workouts within a week won’t do anything.

OT - Next week I will probably have to move stuff again or perhaps even skip things. I think the latter only will affect PLs.

I did 1:50 of 3hrs of Big mountain yesterday but about 20% higher intensity for the 1st hour amd about 30-40% for the last 50 min. I thought it would give me a fail but I got the pass survey and a 3.2 boost in endurance. I have to say that my HR was in VO2 territory for the last 20-30 min so prob not an endurance workout. Found this interesting.

I can help!

The way plans are built takes a lot into consideration, including how to progress an athlete appropriately in each training zone, where the athlete is in their plan, and what their goals are. The plans also balance the order in which workouts are prescribed, also based on the zones targeted. We don’t recommend moving workouts out of order for both of those reasons. That said, we know that life happens, which is exactly why we built AT.

AT can handle what you might be trying to accomplish by moving around workouts:

If you know you won’t be able to work out on a certain day, AT addresses that, but only if you add a ‘time off’ annotation on the day or range of dates where you know you can’t train.
To do this, click “+” on Calendar, add annotation, and choose Time Off as the annotation type. Opt to adapt your plan when prompted.

If you had an unforeseen conflict arise and had to skip a workout (i.e. take unplanned time off), just skip the workout, and AT will adapt your plan appropriately. (This may not always trigger an adaptation, because there are circumstances where you wouldn’t need to change your plan just because you missed one workout.)

If you want to ride for a different duration than your scheduled workout on a certain day, wait until that day, then load and complete a different workout with the desired duration and level. AT will take the completed workout into consideration with calculating your Progression Levels, and will make sure that future scheduled workouts in that training zone reflect any changes in your levels.

If you want to do an extra workout that wasn’t on your plan, go ahead and add that to whatever day you plan to complete the workout, or simply load and complete the desired workout on the day in question. AT will take the completed workout into account when computing your Progression Levels, and will make sure that future scheduled workouts in that training zone reflect any changes in your levels.

If you’re used to manually adjusting your plan to adapt around life’s uncertainties, it can feel weird to sit back and let AT do the heavy lifting. We made AT to automate how so many athletes need to manually adapt their own plans, the goals being to 1) save the athletes time and mental load, and 2) reduce/eliminate the stress of second-guessing whether you’re adapting in a way that will benefit your training.

Try giving AT a chance to handle these kinds of situations, and see how it goes!

EDIT: the fix was released where moving/dragging workouts no longer disassociates them from Adaptive Trianing!

I want to make sure I understand. So theoretically, lets say I had training rides Mon/Weds/Thurs/Fri, with a Tuesday off. But for some reason something came up Monday so I decided to do it Tuesday instead. You’d recommend putting the “Time Off” option onto the Monday, and then I would add the Monday workout manually to the Tuesday?

I do know it messes with the plans a bit here because the recovery days/number of workout days in a row get twisted, but unfortunately that’s just something I’ve had to deal with. I just want to make sure when I do this I don’t accidentally mess with AT’s brain!

Did it bump you to 7.3, or 3.2 higher than where you were (assuming lower)?

@IvyAudrain, any way to see what the pre-adaptation plan was after accepting adaptations? Just added some travel for next week, then realized I could likely do the scheduled Tues workout on Monday before by three days of travel. Of course, I wasn’t smart enough to note the “old” plan before entering the travel; the notation cleared the workouts on those days.

Also, it said something like “accept adaptations” but I didn’t see the adaptations previewed as is done in other situations. Perhaps there were no adaptations, or are they not previewed?

Thanks.

I am curious about the answer to this as well @IvyAudrain

Thank you!

If you just drag the Monday workout to Tuesday that won’t be a problem - you’ll still get the same PL credit for completing it as you would have if you completed it on the Monday.