Adaptive Training Closed Beta Update

  • TR has said that “expectations” are NOT a part of the survey.

  • It is purely about how it “felt”.

See my file for the proper interpretation of what the survey responses mean, and how they should be used.

Here is the official post from TR, in the thread where we are discussing surveys.

Great, thanks for the link to the doc! (and I requested access) So the survey response is just part of the data set AT is using and doesn’t automatically determine an outcome by itself? I’ve been pretty happy with how AT is doing things, but I have to confess it’s driving me a little nuts not knowing at all what’s going on behind the scenes.

  • Covered in the email, but I keep my master sheet locked. I sent instructions on how to make your own copy from my sheet.
  • Correct. The survey response is only one piece of the puzzle.
  • We may learn some more about it all, but we will never have a full picture of the process for a number of reasons.
  • With the qualifier that a person is riding with an “accurate FTP”, and confirming that 0.96 IF is for a 60 minute workout, I think a Very Hard to All Out are quite likely and appropriate.

  • That is considering what that IF and Duration typically mean, and in light of the survey info TR shared, and I summarized as seen above.

It is definitely doing some learning of your usual responses behind the scenes.

My normal response with any of the “target” workouts (the ones on the hard days) has been to rank things 3-Hard based on Chad’s table, which I don’t think has ever led to adaptations. Then when I rank things 2 or 4 I have been getting adaptations harder or easier.

Other posters have reported that AT is giving them adaptations when they rank 3, which I haven’t seen so far (although I can see it might happen if I ranked a workout significantly below my PL as Hard), but they seem to be using the lower rankings a lot more than I do. AT seems to have learnt that and makes the adjustments based on your own response history rather than having a generic rule. I get the impression (maybe unjustified) that some users are ranking lower deliberately to try and get faster progress (I guess this is human nature…) but AT seems to have some limiters built in around this, otherwise ultracompetitive types would be ranking everything 1 and blowing themselves out within 3 weeks :smiley:

So I would suggest the key is to be consistent with your approach to rankings.

Also that workout looks miserable!

How Do i know which TR workout should I use to associate an outside ride?

You don’t - I have been making an educated guess based on IF, TSS and time in zones.

You’re better off taking a look at an outdoor version of a TR workout and trying to keep that in mind when doing your outdoor ride. If it’s a group ride or something totally unstructured then you’re pretty much guessing at the moment and I would question the value of making the association.

Thanks for your answer!
In other words it is useless.

I would not say that - it makes it much, much easier to do/get credit for TR workouts outdoors.

It’s not intended to allow you to manually classify every ride that you do for PL benefit and wasn’t advertised as such. It was brought in to help fix issues people were having with outdoor workouts not working properly with their PLs.

Big news: we are opening Adaptive Training to early access! This means that any TrainerRoad athlete can now use Adaptive Training by enabling access from the Early Access section of your account.

We acknowledge how cluttered this thread has become when used as a space to post questions and get help, and its made it difficult for athletes to find the advice and shared experiences they’re looking for when joining and using Adaptive Training.
That said, to avoid further confusion, we’re going to close this thread and direct athletes this thread: 'Adaptive Training is now in Open Beta!, which will act as a landing page for athletes to receive Adaptive Training updates from the TrainerRoad team, and share experiences and helpful tips.

If you have questions or need a second look at any Adaptive Training topics like your Progression Levels, Surveys, or pending adaptations, please check in with support@trainerroad.com for assistance.

Speaking of which, we now have comprehensive new help center resources for Adaptive Training:Adaptive Training Overview
Adaptive Training Known Issues
How to Check for Adaptations
How Does Adaptive Training Recommend Workouts?
Progression Levels
Difficulty Levels
Workout Levels
Post-Workout Surveys
Calendar Annotations
How to Add Time Off to Your Calendar
Why did my Progression Levels Adjust after an FTP change?
How to Use Outside Workouts with Adaptive Training
Does Adaptive Training Recommend Adaptations for Swim and Run Workouts?
Does Adaptive Training work on non-Plan Builder Training Plans?
How to use Workout Alternates
Updated Training Plans FAQ

Let support@trainerroad.com if you have any questions or need a second look at anything, otherwise, feel free to post helpful tips and experiences below, and follow along for updates from the TrainerRoad team!