That chimes with my thinking: roughly speaking, select a response that’s one level lower than how you actually felt, and perhaps AT will adjust your plan more appropriately.
This wouldn’t be required so much if AT was, as others have discussed already, adjusting its interpretation of your responses on a personalised basis (ie. learning that you often responded “Very Hard” but still were able to complete the w/o OK and thus your present plan progression was maintainable), but anecdotally at least it doesn’t seem as if it’s doing that, and is instead taking a standard/fixed approach for everyone, hence the workaround tactic.
Hmmm, here is the updated info on rating a workout:
My coach prescribes vo2max workouts that are either controlled or max repeatable. He is expecting me to say it was hard or very hard, which maps to:
From where I sit - the ratings are NOT supposed to have the middle option (3) be the center of the bell curve. If AT is thinking like a coach, most of the vo2max workout responses should be 4 with some responding 3 (could have done another interval) or 5 (couldn’t finish the intervals as prescribed).
Yup, a ‘middle’ only makes sense of they were aiming to include ‘expectations’ in the mix (like a 3 for expecting a VO2 to be painful and anything on either side of the middle to be easier or harder than expected), which they have clearly stated is NOT the goal.
So, I agree that a properly set FTP, and a VO2 workout aligned with the rider’s current Progression Level should feel like a 4 in most cases, maybe a 3 if you are ripping and a 5 if you are off pace for any reason.
lol, did a Sweet Spot with a stretch rating, marked it as hard (keep in mind, all my levels were reset post FTP test)… so A.T. has made my session next Sunday notably easier than what I just did.
…aaaaaaand I’m out again. I’ll pick my sessions by hand.
I think this might be more a feature of the new plans than of AT itself. All of the new MV plans I’ve looked at have much easier Sunday SS workouts than previously, so they are not “meant” to be hard. That said, if you want harder, the alternates function is always there.
The whole plan seems comically easy to be honest. I was hoping it would evolve to be something a little more challenging from the adaptive training, but apparently not.
Not going to lose sleep over it, as you say, will just adapt manually.
I just don’t get it. 2 day block, rest day to follow. TR used to sell itself on ‘time crunched’ during the week but then you’ve time at the weekend to get something decent in. Then they revert to this
I feel like when it comes to VO2, I could almost always do 1 more interval if you had a gun to my head. I think my average VO2 session will be a 3. I couldn’t do another full set, but I could almost always do another 30-60 second interval if I put my mind to it.
Sweet Spot, on the other hand, where one interval is 8 or 12 minutes long, and I’m going to question whether I could have pulled off another full interval. I think my average SS will likely be a 4.
I have been putting moderate for every workout. None have really been that taxing. I am worried it has something to do with power match between my 4iiii’s left arm and my saris h3. The h3 is 15-20 watts lower than my 4iiii’s lefty.
I’ve switched and stayed there. Had a 20 point increase on the ftp but that is most likely just the switch to the crank. Although once both devices are warmed up there is a little variance. I used to track the trainer with my garmin and the crank with trainer road. After checking the difference I decided to just ignore the trainer and use the crank. This has actually turned out great as I have a lot of the summer off and have been traveling a fair bit on holidays. I’ve brought my rollers with me and theft the trainer at home. Much easier to setup and get a workout done. This week I may try outdoor workouts with the garmin edge 130 plus that just arrived yesterday.
Not sure if this has been covered here or elsewhere, so apologies, but:
I just took a week off from training, which I gather is something that AT should account for. However! That week included four days of backpacking, with a cumulative TSS of around 1400 (according to TrainingPeaks). What I’m wondering is whether or not I should just get back into my regularly scheduled TR plan (with the adaptations it made for a week off), or if further re-jiggering is required since my off week wasn’t really “off” at all.
OR: is the point of AT that I just get back in the saddle, go for the scheduled work-outs, and if I fail, I fail, and AT will make adjustments?
While that is true, it may not be what you need/be the best long-term strategy if you just need a couple days to recover. AT may ultimately tell you something you already know: you’re tired, and doing a workout that you arent recovered for may dig a bigger hole for you than necessary.
If you’re not clear on how fresh or fatigued you’re feeling and you want to give that workout a shot, you definitely can, but maybe use Workout Alternates to shift to a shorter workout that hits the same systems (if possible, not all workouts have shorter alternates).
When should I expect to see adaptations? Been using AT for a few weeks, following a plan but “unstructured” outside rides @ weekend and so far only seen the no adaptations required although have failed on the threshold workout at the end of the week
Ah, no didn’t use plan builder this time round as didn’t have a target event. Missed that AT wants it loaded through plan builder, thought it was just you had to be on a plan. Thanks for the pointer.
Two questions about adaptations. Note I’m in the Garmin/outdoor structured workout world.
First, I have an adaptation pending for my next workout. AT wants to drop my Thunder SS 3.1 t Jordan SS 2.0 because it failed me on Mount Field SS 2.7 last week with the prev discussed hiccups outdoors. I’d like to keep the 3.1 workout or explore alternates to Thunder, but on the web I’m not seeing a way to do that without rejecting the proposed adaptations.
I also have a proposed adaptation next week taking Mono Threshold 2.4 to Kennedy 3.0. If I reject the change to Thunder it looks like I also reject the change to Mono – which I think is good to keep. How do I navigate that situation?
Also, is there a way to look at alternates for a working with a pending adaptation? Not seeing how to do that on the web.
Chad - out of curiosity, once both a pwoermeter (in my case RallyXC 200s) and training are paired to TrainerRoad (iPad BLE), it appears that the PowerMatch automatically recognizes this an sets itself to “New.” When I review the workouts, I see my Rallys were the power source. Does that all check?
Yeah, that all sounds right to me. TR defaults to activating PowerMatch and the “new” option (when a power meter and controllable trainer are paired) unless someone alters that.
Confirming the Rally as the data source in the completed workout seems like good validation to me.
The only note to add is that if you experience power data dropouts from the power meter, TR will swap to the trainer power data. I don’t know what it will show in the completed workout if/when that happens and whether it is intermittent or sustained data dropped.
