What actual rating did you choose after the “I didn’t struggle”?
Did you have any long stops of note within the 6hrs? If so, did you pause the recording or let it run?
Likewise, i’ve had no trouble with PL prgressions with Outside Rides on a 530, but i’ve stuck to Endurance and non stop rides so far, hence my interst in what is the effect of cafe stops etc…
I have to say… Adaptive training is very useful.
The fact that it calculate and modify the plan based on 2 weeks off is very useful.
I am not sure how i feel about a ramp test right at the start… But it is what it is
I selected ‘Moderate’. debated on ‘Easy’ but honestly I don’t think 5+ hour rides are ever ‘Easy’ LOL
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The occasional bathroom or water stop, nothing more than 5-6 minutes. I assume I got the failed survey because I ended the workout about 45 minutes early as I had finished the planned route.
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I got in the AT beta last week, and had done a ramp test 10 or so days prior. When I made a new plan using PB it didn’t schedule a ramp test week 1. Maybe the system just wants a test within a certain time period? And haven’t the plans basically always started with a ramp test?
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Yup, aligns with what I have done for similar efforts.
Mine did the same at first - I had just done a ramp test the week before I got in and none scheduled for the first day of the new plan I added once I got in. However I’m thinking it might have been some weirdness with overlapping plans as once I cleaned everything up a ramp test appeared. It took almost two days for that to happen though. Of course YMMV.
The fact that Wahoo outside workouts don’t influence progression levels is sort of a downer for me. I’m totally happy to be helping with the Beta, but I just have to ignore my progression levels that are all stuck at 1 (mostly) and I never get any adaptations.
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I just had an odd Adaptive Training experience. I just finished my first 4-week block of a Plan Builder program. I have it set as Low Volume, so rides on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, and on Saturday and Sunday I do outdoor rides or if it rains, 1.5-2 hour Endurance TrainerRoad rides.
Today when I booted up the app to take my Ramp Test for the next 4-week block, I was first presented with adaptations for every workout in the block – most workouts were reduced by 1-2 full progression levels.
This seems like odd behavior that the system would deem all the workouts in the upcoming block to be too difficult prior to my ramp test. I haven’t had a failed workout yet, and I feel like I had an easy time with almost every workout in the first block, at least my HR is a bit lower than normal for the same efforts earlier in the year.
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Doesn’t seem to be the case, I’ve done 6 workouts since and no test. Not that I would do it, anyway.
Just some anecdotal feedback on AT, or more specifically the Progression Levels and decay rates…
Decay rates on energy systems that take a long time to build and sustain (months to years), are not individualized enough IMO. If I can bang out a PL 10 work in Endurance, Tempo, and Sweetspot energy systems w/ a post-survey RPE of “moderate” as the highest–within an ongoing 20-hour training week and cycle of 4weeks on, 1 week rest–the decay rate on these workouts should last longer than 10-14 days. There’s absolutely no reason to drop from a 10 in these zones, down to a 6 when all this other training is going on simultaneously.
I understand that mine may be a highly individualized case… but, if training history and performance across all energy systems is a part of the MI/AI, then it should be smarter than that.
Consider the following:
June 2nd: SST 8.3
June 22nd: SST 10.3
Today, July 6… SST PL dropped to 6.4. Why?
If anything, I could understand it defaulting back to the 8.3… but, even below that? Nope.
Have an 11.3 SST scheduled tomorrow, and yeah, it’ll go back up. But, I’m utilizing custom workouts and applying the PLs, as i’ve noted before to “keep me honest” … but, I can see this becoming bothersome and prompting training in certain areas that, in fact, haven’t decayed that much, if at all according to what the career landing page shows.
–kellen
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I agree with you…more work is needed on the PL adjustments. There also should be some cross impact on the PL. If your doing sweet spot work…it has to somehow impact endurance level as well.
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Cool! Still odd that you got adaptations at such a significant decrease, I mean those outside rides definitely speak to your overall fitness and training load being much greater than what Plan Builder alone is prescribing you. Nice work!
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I agree. I did sub in a 90 minute endurance ride on the most recent Sunday because it was raining. However, the app did not propose any adaptations after completing that ride.
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This is one of those details where being specific is helpful. On the last podcast Nate said outside rides with Garmin are working (not my experience). I think here you are speaking to unstructured outside rides (in comparison to workouts pushed to a Garmin for outside, yes?).
Can you please given the current status on what aspects of outside rides with Garmin are or are not working? Thanks!
Apologies! I edited my post to clarify: outside unstructured rides are not accounted for within AT yet.
Sorry for the confusion.
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Follow-up on this (forgive me if it’s been answered).
If I am going for a long outside ride, would creating a “Free Ride” Outside workout be a way to capture that ride for future adaptations? Admittedly, I have not looked to see if “Free Ride” is still an option. I am using the AT Beta I am planning to just add my outside rides on the fly (Garmin Edge 1030 to record) and do not intend the ones I have upcoming to be “structured.” They will be longer road/gravel rides with a friend.