Nope intervals do get pushed through in the fit file, this workout was done on Zwift:
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That’s good! Just checked an outside Wahoo workout I did and it has them too. And that being the case, it’s really hard to see why this bug is so hard to fix. Must be something else going on that we’re not seeing.
Some wild speculation - maybe TR is waiting for Wahoo to record HRV.
A “regular” TR workout summary also has interval target power which AT probably needs. Maybe Garmin sends that piece of data?
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So I got in on tuesday and did my ftp test and my first workout today. I chose rolling road race and I think I messed up but thats another story.( I am doing the Canadian part of the Great Divide called the AB rockies 700 in August). Anyways the system suggested 3 days a week.
If I add in extra rides just to keep the legs moving and do not finish them will it effect AT? If I add train now rides and do not finish them will it effect AT? I would like to ride more on the trainer than 3 days a week but at times its limited and I dont want to mess with the machine learning.
Thanks,
@NickSilcox, just raise your FTP by 1 watt, and the PLs will default to 1.0…easy!
Having just changed my FTP, that’s not what happens…
Although I reduced mine. Had a few difficult weeks, struggled on a few rides (although only done a couple of TR workouts in that time), tried to do a threshold workout last night and had to knock it back by 5%.
I didn’t do my FTP test on Tuesday as it was sunny and warm… But I have been doing this long enough to be able to set my FTP very accurately, so after the workout last night I decided to do what I normally do and set it down.
However - dropping my FTP has bumped up all my progression levels (sweetspot 4.3 to 6.5 for example), and correspondingly has pushed up all my future workouts to similarly high levels… Which seems unintuitive as the reason I have set the FTP down is because I have been struggling.
To be fair a Sweetspot 6.5 workout at 274 FTP is possibly achievable for me anyway as steady state work like that has always been a strength of mine (at the 288 it would have been impossible though, hard threshold rather than SS), but the VO2 that has been bumped to 7.1 looks absolutely terrifying!
I did a ramp test last night, got a decrease in FTP (not unexpected) and my Progression Levels went up for the most part.
Not too surprised as AT would have seen I was able to complete workouts with my previously higher FTP and so a drop in FTP should correspond to making the future workouts slightly harder given AT knows my actual capabilities (I think).
My only ongoing issue is around a custom workout I completed a couple months back (Anaerobic 22.5) which has skewed my Anaerobic PL to be way too high for my capabilities but this is a known bug with custom workouts and probably something I just have to live with until TR set up a way for a user to tell AT to discount specific workouts (or fixes the custom workout levels).
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I’m not in AT, but from what I have read, no. This is in beta and what they have is most likely a bug.
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Not that we can diagnose the whole Wahoo issue, but if wahoo folks want to see what their fit files contain, you can go to fitfileviewer.com and it’ll parse out the entire file so you can see what’s contained. this is an outside workout I did with my gamin 530
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I did my Ramp test a week ago and got 290 which was 2 watts down on my manually set ftp of 292 (I’ve been avoiding ramp test but my guess work has been fairly accurate) . So I’m unsure of why the Progression levels gave me such a high tough score. Just out of interest I manually bumped up my ftp by only 1 watt to 291 and the PL has dropped a fair bit. Doesn’t really make sense to me.
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Update from Support on the PLs resetting to 1 after completing a ramp test
I talked with the Dev’s and it seems that this is currently intended behavior. That said, we are also currently working to address this, so your situation doesn’t occur anymore.
So it sounds like right now they do intend to drop you to 1.X when you finish a ramp test, but realize this is wrong and will be changing the functionality. Thus, this is not currently a defect, but a change in requirements (I think)
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This doesn’t make any sense. Looks like score calculation is a bit off.
Trainnow gives me a Productive level workout. Mount Formidable + 3.
Alternate “Stretch” workout is Hilgard +3 with a slightly higher Threshold Level.
But surely, Mount Formidable is a much harder threshold workout because it has 20min more of work near FTP
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Two reasons I can see. The microburts are 5 seconds longer and the recovery periods are 1 minute shorter in Hilgard +3. That would make it considerably harder, even with fewer overall intervals (it would for me. those stingers hurt bad).
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I’d also rather do formidable that hilgard. If you compare the first four intervals as a block the difficulty difference is easy to see.
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I was thinking formidable looked easier because of the longer breaks, but just realized one is longer than the other. I thought the screenshot for the first one was just clipped.
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If you “fail” a breakthrough workout, do you not get any progression adjustment? Or am I experiencing a bug? I just got in, and most of my progression levels are 1, including sweet spot and threshold. I loaded up a 4.4 Sweet Spot Workout (McGregor -2) which is 60 minutes of SS at 87%. I ended up calling it after around 51 minutes, which is 84% of the planned time in zone. My Sweet Spot progression level didn’t budge, still a 1. Yes, I didn’t finish all 60 minutes, but surely my level should have gone up some. McGregor -5 is 3x15, and it’s a level 3.1. So I did more TIZ than that, I’d think my level should go up to at least 3.
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Here’s the workout, and I created a custom workout of what I actually completed, and AT rated it at 3.7. I’ve emailed support.
I’d email support. I would also expect it to go up, but your use case may be fringe enough that it isn’t working properly or was not properly accounted for at the moment. Generally if AT sees you cut short, you’ll get the cut short survey and most likely you’d see levels decrease. In your case, you’d want to see an increase because there’s nowhere else to go but up, but it may not be looking at it properly to discern that nuance.
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Yeah, sorry, I realized the time difference and deleted my question, but we cross posted.
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Thanks, a couple years ago I downloaded the FIT SDK and made my own C++ program to dump the entire fit file. But my programming skills are pretty weak, and I don’t have time. The fitfileviewer.com site is pretty nice.
FWIW, I downloaded the FIT file from Garmin and a file from Strava (Export Original). And they are identical, so Strava did exactly what the command said.
No idea how the Strava API works, which is what TR is using, and I only had a couple minutes to poke around the docs.
So I got an answer about my “failed” workout. As of now, AT will completely ignore failed workouts for progression levels and adaptations. It’s either pass or fail. There is no in between or partial pass. Which I would hope changes for the future. So since I’m a 1, and I failed a 4.4, regardless of how close I was or the work I actually did, I’m still a 1 because I “failed” the workout. To me, that isn’t a great option.
There is a workaround somewhat but it’s not perfect. If I select reason for failing as “Time”, it will classify it as a success. But then I get the full pass and full progression jump, which also isn’t what I want.
The other workaround is do what I did. Create a custom workout of the time in zone I did and look at the level AT gives it. It doesn’t change my actual level, but it’ll give me an idea of the next workout I should be doing. And completing the next workout should then fix the level problem. So moving forward, I’ll just say I’m a 3.7 for sweet spot. It’s funny because AT is “adapting” me to do a 1.6 workout.
Hopefully in the future AT can analyze the workout and give partial progression bumps.
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