Adaptive Training Closed Beta Update

It’s understandable everyone wants the latest and best “stuff” (we’re all cyclists afterall :wink:)
However I do think some are over estimating the impact of AT. Maybe I don’t fully appreciate what it can do, but my understanding is it takes the base plan and can adjust (swapping for slightly harder / easier workouts) day by day depending on a number of factors including a survey at the end.

You can do a similar thing manually. Too tough: drop the % a little, going well: raise the % a couple of points.

Getting fitter will still require the basics: hard work, completing workouts, rest, sleep, good food, minimise stress.

I may be wrong, but AT won’t suddenly give you extra watts in weeks or maybe even months.

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Once it goes live generally you can read the feedback from us lot, decide if it’s for you and then give it a whirl - avoid having shelled out $$ for something you’re not using, which may just lead to resentment. Probably better for both the pocket and the head to wait :slightly_smiling_face:

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3 Months and TR just hit 1,200 people in AT. So one, you’re kind of reinforcing my point of not wanting to criticize TR at all, and two, that’s a far cry from whining as TR literally dedicated a 2 hour podcast to the AT announcement saying it will change training forever, and make coaches obsolete and so on, and yet here we are 3 months later and what do we have? A small percentage of users with a buggy program. I know it’s the beta, but like @WombleHunter said, maybe they shouldn’t have made this huge announcement for a product that doesn’t even sound like it was ready for beta. It just doesn’t reflect well on them.

That’s totally fine. Just don’t announce that you’re revolutionizing the training world and not deliver. They overpromised and underdelivered. They could have easily done the beta testing adding users without the huge announcement, then do a big product launch when ready and have it accessible to everyone. Then everybody is happy.

And yet you posted as well.

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100% this.

And this especially. I do the majority of my rides outdoors now. And I’m super happy with the outdoor rides feature TR have. But as of now not very useful with AT.

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I may adjust mine down a few watts soon too; I had a double rest/reset week prior to moving into a new plan and then promptly got food poisoning so I’ve effectively had 3 rest weeks now, not counting any effect from the illness. So I’ll definitely post if something weird happens when I do that.

I’m hoping it’ll come back pretty quick anyway.

Unless you’re doing them on Garmin then it should work OK. I think the Wahoo issue should get fixed too.

Really, what they need is a way of just taking any power profile from a .fit file and assigning progressions based on that. Then most of these issues about superpasses, outdoor workouts, Zwift work etc would be fixed.

I guess that must be hard though or they would have done it already!

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With the way the levels are set, and the plan adapting, the importance of knowing FTP gets diminished significantly. The only time you really need to retest is once you get up into the 8-10 range.

I’ve griped a lot with the way TR uses the phrase FTP, and now more than ever, I wish they’d do away with it. All they need is an anchor point somewhere around threshold and a set of goals. Not super important if that anchor point is ± 5% of your actual threshold power. The levels on the different zones are really really broad and easily encapsulate that range.

Edit to say that if you’ve been off the bike for 3 weeks, I’d guess your PL have decayed the right amount. I noticed a decay in mine over a 1.5 week period that I thought was pretty steep, since I was on the bike. Just not doing threshold or vo2 work that the system saw.

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Funny…I just did a recovery week and my main workouts these days are outside…not a TR workout. I just got the notification today that I am in the AT beta. PL in general feel a bit low but I am sure that will adapt as I ride.

I think I need to understand more about AT as at this time of the year I move away from strictly following a TR plan based on my desire to get outside and ride. I had set up a short power build low volume that I was to start this week but I know I messed around with subbing workouts and none of that likely fits for AT. In addition I do a long Sunday outdoor ride but that is never a TR workout but me enjoying myself. Doesnt bode well to test AT unless I make some changes I believe.

I think it is a good time to be getting started actually. Gives you a low pressure chance to play with it and get a feel for it, then hit the ground running in the fall.

Just replace workouts with levels you think are right. Do what you can on them. Not a huge deal if they are a little too easy or little too hard. Use plan builder around what you are doing as best as possible. You and the system should adapt and converge over time.

FWIW, I saw zero value in plan builder before using AT. Now I really like it. Being able to add things in like days off and events and have it update around it is fantastic. Maybe it did that before and I didn’t really play around with it enough.

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There is a difference between releasing a new world and mass advertising a new way to train that is not available.

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I’m also interested to see what happens when you adjust manually. I’m the “previous poster” who had everything reset to 1. There hadn’t actually been any regression in my levels in those 2 weeks off except following a failed endurance workout on day 10 or so when I tried to come back too early.

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Like I said, I haven’t signed up

Thats exactly what I am doing, thank you for reminding me

Absolutly, I never said that TR shouldn’t be doing beta testing, hell I’m running a beta test right now, it’s part of of software develpment, an important part, but …

… is because most people in this forum are not software developers (or testers) but they were sold a dream, they were sold a dream in a 2 hour announcment youtube stream, where the the world had changed, couching was dead, and if you aren’t on the AT closed beta , you’re missing out

When we do a closed (private) beta, like the one we are doing now (and we have to, like TR we need the data going through or ML) the client knows exactly what to expect, what could go wrong, what compensation they will get for taking part (usually take’s the form of not having to subscribe to that feature for x years once it goes live, and being assosiated with it’s development, or having some additional development done)

Like I said in my op, managing expections, and keeping the private (sorry closed) beta private, are important to the success of the product, like I said in my op there is a reason that companies don’t generally do there private beta so publicly

If 75% of this thread don’t know what I beta test is, and are clammering to get onto it, then I would argue that the issue is not that the users are ignorant of what a closed beta is, it more likely that the expectations have been incorrectly set

Like I said, I pay TR to make me faster, and not to do their beta testing (for free), I don’t see what the issue with that is, if people want the “badge of honor” for being on the beta test program so be it

As the the clammering to be on the beta test shows it’s great, well people queue out side the apple store before the reviews, not because the product is great (and I’m not say they/aren’t, just commenting on why people queue), becuase they are being told that’s what they want, and the dream is to have the latest and greatest, regardless if they need it or if it’s better (for them, and has AT been proven to make anybody faster?) than the one that they already have, in my op, that is some of what is going on here

Again I have no problem with TR, beta tests, just interested in the whole thing from a professional point of view, as to if expectation have been set correctly, my none desire to be part of the AT beta, does not come from the communication from TR (the launch stream, sold it as near finished product) but from the users posting about the private (sorry closed) beta in a public forum, means that I know that it won’t work how I want to use TR, and therefore it isn’t worth me being part of the beta

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Yes, ultimately we’re all wasting our time expressing our differing views/expectations of what a closed beta programme comprises. None of our posts will likely affect the important thing: the pace of the beta’s progression into production.

My excuse for a flurry of posting here today is that I’m on 2nd vaccine day, so had cleared the decks, just lazing around, and decided to push back a little against what I viewed as excessive negativity that I disagreed with. No consensus views here: just a robust market in varied opinions! :wink:

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Congratulations !!!

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Lol, I like what you did there.

Say that arguing online is a waste of time.

[argue online]

Then absolve yourself of blame by saying you don’t fit your own statement by making an excuse.

Grade A online forum big brain move.

And I’d say that discussion on this forum is far from a waste of time. TR is very active on here, and to their credit, have responded in the past and gathered a lot of feedback from here. They gather a lot of information from the forum and I’d think they use it for future developments (it would be stupid not to). So I disagree and think a healthy discussion of view points is very useful for the forum and TR.

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Edit to say that if you’ve been off the bike for 3 weeks, I’d guess your PL have decayed the right amount. I noticed a decay in mine over a 1.5 week period that I thought was pretty steep, since I was on the bike. Just not doing threshold or vo2 work that the system saw.

I haven’t been totally off the bike - rest weeks as in less TSS rather than total rest. I did actually do a proper VO2 last Tuesday as I was meant to be starting a new block, and I think that’s what brought on the proper illness. I just had a dodgy stomach before that, then a few hours after the VO2 intervals I developed a high fever…

I was thinking about knocking a couple of % off my FTP or otherwise reducing the intensity of my workouts this week, but not sure what the best approach will be with AT.

I thought I was clear in my reply to you but you seem to have interpreted it differently. :man_shrugging:

It appears we (us two) may be straying perilously near to “Duty Calls” territory! :grin:

…which IME rarely proves productive, so count me out.

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To be fair, most of the “whining” is because TR made such a massive deal about the announcement.

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It shouldn’t matter, but from experience and hearing others, I’d replace with easier variants or manually drop percents rather than touching the FTP. Seems like a smoother adjustment to PL