Disagree - my opinion is very different. From my perspective, the new plans look and feel great. The combination of Workout Levels, TrainNow and the new plans has given TR a massive bump upwards in usefulness to me, the largest step forward since I began subscribing ~4 years ago. To be clear, I am not in the AT beta.
Am I alone in seeing this improvement? I’m super happy about these recent changes - perhaps I’m the only person, but unlikely. 
Maybe the most vocal though 
Just do a ramp test with each bike change. You probably want to keep the TT on for a few weeks at a time?
I agree. They made changes to the polarized plans and my plan got removed from the calendar. That sucked. That was when I quit using it.
I keep seeing people say some variation of this, and it’s explicitly not the case. Jonathan and Nate explained that when they turned the new modeling system on the workouts in the catalog to assign levels, and then looked at the level progressions in their plans, they realized that for most of their userbase, the plans started too hard and ramped up too fast. They changed the plans to make them better. Not to make them easier, and not to make them work with AT.
I’ve been on the AT beta for a while. The original plans worked fine.
That would be too easy. I usually do 1 block all TT bike pre season to get adapted then I’ll do 50% TT, 50% Road bike.
I agree that the plans needed changed. I didn’t use them because I thought they were too hard in general and heavily modified them before.
That said, you have a number of people here directly saying exactly what I said, but you guys are like “No, that’s not it.”
Recognize your N=1. TR can say what they want, but a portion of their user base doesn’t see it that way at all and is upset at losing plans they were invested in already with no recourse.
I think the real point here is that it was launched in the Spring SPECIFICALLY because thats when most people unsubscribe from TR as they stop training indoors. I bet TR see a massive drop in revenue at that time and you could easily suggest this was done as a way to get as many of those people as possible to keep the subscription going - it is a business after all… We’ll never know but my guess is that AT has probably been very successful at keeping revenue up through this Spring as huge numbers of people keep it going with the hope they’ll have an AI training plan to use outside over summer…
Why do you think that?
It’s pretty easy to run AT without an FTP test. If you have a good idea of what your FTP is, then you should be able to pick some workouts in sweet spot, threshold, and VO2 that are “hard” to “very hard” to complete. They might be listed as “stretch” or “breakthrough”, but just ignore that. Assuming you complete it as expected, it will update your levels to that and adjust everything down zone.
At least that’s what I did. The only quibble I have is that it isolates the zones too much. So my sweet spot, tempo, and endurance are not set as high as they should be based on what I’ve demonstrated in threshold workouts. At the same time, not a big deal, since I have a good idea what to do there and I’m not focused on increasing fitness in those zones anyways.
The prior poster said if you make a manual adjustment to FTP, it resets your levels. I can’t imagine that’s the intent…
Great time to launch when they can tease it and offer it to almost none of their users. If I was not on a legacy plan I would have canceled.
Funny you should say that because thats exactly why I renewed my subscription. I initially unsubscribed because the normal sweet-spot base + medical-school burned me out real quick. I re-subbed a couple days ago under the incorrect assumption I’d be able to try the adaptive training. So now my choices are either unsub or pay monthly for a service I won’t use in the hopes of getting access to to Adaptive training.
This is definitely a thing we do in our business, for sure. All kinds of ways to even out revenue streams, it wouldn’t surprise me if this was the case. It’d be smart business if properly executed.
Exactly - 25 years in business development and its also exactly what I’d do!
TR is obviously a subscriber business and #1 goal for subscription businesses has to be maintain subscribers…
Ah…I understand. I expect levels going from one FTP to another is going to be annoying and require “smoothing” by a user.
I started beta with my FTP set. TR has your progression levels already computed, even though you can only see them on beta (This is what TrainNow is using to suggest workouts). My PL were low though because I came off 1 week of recovery, plus one key workout was done outside.
It is annoying, but not a huge deal to adjust PL if they get set to 1 after an FTP adjustment. You just need to have some knowledge of our capabilities and do a workout around that level to adjust it. For example, when a threshold workout comes in, if you PL is a 1 and you think it is a 5 at your current FTP setting, pick that and if you finish it, it will automatically adapt everything downstream from it.
Interesting to read some of the posts in this thread. I’ve recently rejoined TR because what I was using was up for renewal and I saw the glossy advert for AT with Chad’s voice over and thought I’d give it a go. Bit disappointed to find out that it is still a very limited beta with no general release date. I think the advertising should be pulled as it is a bit misleading.
If it doesn’t currently meet your needs unsub until it does, ie. in a Production release.
Yeah I think I’ll just do that.
Prior poster also spent 2 weeks off the bike, and AT will automatically adjust your levels downwards if you spend time off the bike. Which is pretty logical…
Still, all you need to do is complete a level 3 or 4 or whatever workout in the relevant zone and it’ll be right back up where it was.
I’m sure this is exactly why Zwift launched their new world in May as well. Makes sense to me and I’m certainly not going to hold it against these companies.
I’ll figure it out whenever I get AT. I don’t use the ramp test; I generally do a custom FTP test or manually set it based on performance data, so hopefully AT would allow for that without resetting levels every time an adjustment is made. I would hope that would be the intent; her post led me to believe otherwise.