This thread is awesome.
Is this your actual picture? Or a stock one from Wolftooth?
I have the 2022 scott with the twinloc + the barcentric remote for the dropper, as the 3 lever twinloc is not available for months.
I did here some scott person say on a youtube video that the dropper lever could also be attached to an existing 2022 twinloc dual lever… maybe I’ll switch when that is available…
The twinloc / barcentric combination is working for now, but currently I have the cable exit above the brake, forcing the dropper lever to be quite high, but it clears the throw of the lockout lever. When I switch the dropper exit below the brake, the dropper lever is much lower, but it will interfere with the lockout lever… so i switched back to the old position.
I’ll have to see if I can play with the lockout position a bit more (I think it’s already max inside, but maybe I can compromise the lockout position a bit more in favor of the dropper lever…
Did you try adjusting the tiny screw on the side of the barcentric? This àdjust the lever position relative to the cable position. I have the cable exit above my brake as well and this helped nail down the position.
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yes, I tried the outer limits for both cable positions, ( i made a mistake though, I have the exit below the brake, this is forcing the lever quite far up, but below it forces the lever down so it interferes with the lockout).
Do you have a picture of yours?
ah, ok, this is another (more compact) lockout lever + its way more inboard (on it’s own clamp).
The scott 2022 twinloc lever is a bit longer and has an ispec EV mount to the XT brake (at least in my case). This limits the possibilties quite a bit
Big 4-0 is coming up soon and I’m tempted to replace my 2016 Cube Stereo 140 27.5 with something more in tune with what I enjoy riding: longer days out, not jumping just a bit of an explorer. I think I want to reuse my current drivetrain since I like my Magura brakes and have nice Hope hubs.
So far frame wise I’m looking at the Banshee Phantom v3 since it has some good reviews meets my criteria of ~120mm travel and is a threaded BB.
I’m struggling to find other options easily (I have in my typical fashion started a spreadsheet) does anyone have a fast 29er trail/down-country/xc frame they’d recommend? Or even a website listing various bikes/frames?
Is this the last area of potential massive improvements for modern XC bikes? I’m glad I’m on a firm pedaling bike that doesn’t require a remote, but… I’ve ridden bikes that need them so I’m sympathetic. I appreciate everyone’s creativity, I’ve flipped shocks around to accommodate cable mounting, converted them to old damping systems and have tried every conceivable remote style; the takeaway was always that it’s a trade off with any cable based system. As someone else has mentioned, it would be really nice to see wireless rider controlled shock controls.
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include a dropper that doesn’t require weight to drop and remote actions that could be combined with the suspension settings. (e.g. setting 1 : dropper down, suspension open, setting 2: dropper up, suspension pedal mode, setting 3: lockout, maybe optional dropper up, suspenion open between 1 and 2, not sure, but when it’s configurable that would be no problem)
I’ll stay open minded about the “auto-drop” dropper post. I understand it saves a little energy, I’ve just never felt like I needed this feature but understand that opinions change once you try something new! That said, I know I don’t want my dropper and suspension tied together.
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ok, I can imagine that you want your post up and suspension open in some cases, but is there any case where you would want anything else then open suspension when your seat is dropped??
maybe a 2 button config is not the right choice, but dropper down, suspension open (if not already) doesn’t sound that bad for me 
And being able to put the dropper down, when you are already standing sound great to me
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It seems like it could be super simple with the axs/wireless technology, but I agree with @ibaldwin about not tying them together. It’s fastest to have the suspension open like 80-90% on SingleTrack, but my dropper goes up and down like a Yo-Yo.
ETA: and I have a Spark so use Traction mode reasonably often if I know I have a sustained climb (that’s not extremely technical).
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No, but if they’re tied together like you suggest (I’ve seen other people request this thing too fwiw) you do give up the ability to ride with your seat height at pedaling height with open suspension. I’m also a big fan of using the infinitely adjustable aspects of dropper posts for technical climbing, or technical pedaling sections where something like a 20-40mm drop is perfect, I use this often and I would miss that ability.
There’s certainly something to this, especially for XC, XCM where it’s been said that current designs are forcing riders to do mini squats for no reason during racing, riding, training. I do think that’s a very fair point to make. However… there are two things for me: the first going back to my first point that with the “tied together” design one assumes dropper is full mast, or fully dropped, again, I’d miss my “micro” adjustments through technical terrain that requires pedaling.
The second is the design challenge - all dropper posts use some kind of return spring whether it’s an actual spring (Old designs and the new XC light offerings from DT Swiss and Fox) or it’s a hydraulically charged system that uses an air charge via an IFP. A post that goes down without rider weight is going to need a seperate spring system to accomodate that feature, you need a strong enough force to pull the upper post into the lower without any weight input. I think it’s possible that it could be done, but it’s going to add a lot of weight and complexity. I think designers might fall on a physical spring for the positive force (post returning to full mast) and a hydraulic (IFP) design to “suck” the post down on command. I can’t think of an easy way to accomodate this…
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BMC already has a dropper that will drop on it’s own.
I would love to have this on my Epic.
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rig the Barcentic to replace the twistloc?
That’s the kind of innovation that would take my money.
I’m only three years off the back on this… lol. Too bad it only works on their frames
I have a 150/160mm bike and even wide open the shock doesn’t move when hammering. (the fork, on the other hand…wallow city!)
I hate to ask a dumb question but if a 150mil travel bike can pedal so well why do XC race bikes need lockouts for the shock?
Joe
I had a 2017 Norco Optic, 120mm bike so not a full fledged XC bike (at the time) and that bike felt really nice on the DH, and bumpier sections of trail, just a very active machine. It gave up quite a bit in the pedaling efficiency areas though so I added a remote lock out and preferred the experience with the remote lock out. At the time it was 3 position and I preferred middle mode on most tech pedaling sectoins, and the remote is nice for when you forget to unlock the shock on a descent as it’s easy to fix. I think it’s very bike dependant. My Ripley pedals so damn well in the open mode I almost never use the full lock out and I certainly don’t need a remote for this bike. So there’s two schools of thought for race bikes, make them super active and require a remote or make them more efficient and still require a remote because that’s what the market wants. 
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Are there electronic remote lockouts? We have Di2 or AXS for gearing and droppers, but not sure if I’ve seen or heard or even if its possible for suspension.