True. Can’t deny that, as much as I sometimes think the gamification of Zwift causes people to do too much high intensity training.
It’s basically the lowest and most important ladder in Seiler’s hierarchy of training needs. Getting people to ride more (often) - especially in the winter -is really the first step in getting people to riding faster.
OH SHIT!
I figure it out!
TOM BRADY is buying Z and TR!
He officially retired today to focus on other things…
And what other things can it be? TR and Z combined into TRZWIFT!
TRWIFT12
At this point, I think the core competencies at Zwift is more about marketing and creating events and communities that pulls in users, rather than building the most modern and functional training platform.
But gotta give them, that they are very good at marketing. Software development…? I am not so sure.
Don’t forget hardware. They’ve got the smart bike coming out 
Well we know that that ended for them…. So
No, now that josh wardle has a bunch of millions he is teaming up with bradybrands to buy TR and make all workouts uploadable to the new york times.
I am thinking it might be the guy behind the gta hack 
amazing movie… feeling good Louis…
I’ve got no idea what’s going on now
I know im super late to the party but a friend just shared the DCRainmaker article with me. Just wanted to say I hope everyone at TR is doing well, I remember when Dylan Johnson dropped his video and they sounded a little exhausted on the podcast that week. As an outsider this feels similar to that situation but multiplied by 100. I mean its either a massive business decision or a massively stressful rumor and both of those got to be hard to deal with, not sure the cognitive load can get higher. Nate has been very bravely open about his recent struggles and this has to be hard to deal with either way. I know I will continue to support TR in whatever fashion that is in future. Best wishes to TR team, I have faith Nate and the team will do what is best for the userbase.
Love this. I share this sentiment 1000%. Very well said.
Time for a bit of Zwift bashing and why TR should be careful of this if they do it as a partnership. Even if its an API and the money works you are still hitching your name to theirs, and that is dangerous. They rolled out a new frame. Who cares, I know, but it makes a good example for us. Quotes below for the relevant points, but cliff notes version:
Someone paid money to put this frame in game, someone wrote the code and did the artwork. Its a worse climber than their non climbing frame and a crappy flat land bike. There is literally no reason to use this frame ever.
So either
Dont even get me started on how they squandered the tour partnership.
They are going to embarrass you, so make sure its worth it.
It is rated 3 stars for aero and 3 for weight, which means it’s at least somewhat aero and lightweight. But Zwift’s star ratings aren’t precise enough to communicate actual performance in game in a useful way, so we ran the Felt FR through our standard battery of tests.
While Felt bills the FR as their all-around race bike, its performance on Zwift makes it a poor choice in any race situation. It’s not exceptionally fast on flat/rolling routes, and it lags behind 80% of available frames on long climbs.
This poor performance is due, at least in part, to the Dura-Ace 9200 bug, which adds weight to the frame and increases its Alpe test time by ~19s. Still, we can’t help but wonder if this frame’s parameters are misconfigured. Because even with that 19s removed, the Felt FR would still be 2.5s slower than the AR up the Alpe! This shouldn’t be the case, given that the FR is billed as a better climber than the pure-aero AR.
nate is around…
act normal.
I know that feeling. It 400+ behind for me.
“Zwift’s default plans” isn’t really a coherent thing anyway at the moment, the whole thing was a bit of a mess last I looked - there’s just a load of workouts split into different plans or buckets (based on who made them) and there’s no concept of a training calendar so it relies on the rider to do them in a sensible order. There were a bunch of workouts made by individual coaches or associated with the Zwift Academy etc etc which don’t really stand alone.
So plan compliance is probably pretty low - certainly the people I know who do Zwift workouts don’t seem to follow the plans very closely (mostly it’s hard to tell if it is actually supposed to be a coherent plan at all).
Anyway Zwift is to my mind really weak on the workout/training plan front (hence why I have kept TR).
Not relevant but one of my friends (triathlete…) is coached and does his coach’s workouts on Zwift - I noticed one of them was literally a TR workout where the coach hadn’t even bothered to change the name, I thought he’d joined TR. I thought that was a bit cheap.
Yeah, that’s old info. Still plenty of random stuff in the Z catalog, but they have several “official plans” and an actual training plan process with scheduling setup. It’s far from perfect, but more than what you reference.
A licencing deal (i.e., TR AT into Zwift by API) might be a bit quicker though, obviously a merger could take ages. As neither co. is public they could address it publicly if they wanted, but I agree they won’t (although, Nate isn’t a typical CEO!).
Weirdly I don’t seem to have got the Zwift survey. Maybe they know I am a TR user already…
Ah, fair enough, my bad - like I said it’s a while since I looked (obviously I decided I would stick with TR!). But given Zwift’s usual pace of change, that’s pretty good going by them!
