Zwift "Premium", TR Merger or Add-In speculation

I would have to serioiconsider if I wanted to stay with TR if they in any way allowed Z to join or takeover.

I’m in Reno right now, maybe we should swing by the TR office and see if a Zwift sign is hanging on the building :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Zwift has more of a running integration so maybe we’ll finally get the swim & run imports into the calendar :joy:

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I realise you’re being churlish but They don’t have any tri plans though do they?

It’s a great little city once you cross the bridge to get away from the casinos. We were there last year (actually stayed in the same hotel as Min, the one with the rock wall on the side). My daughter was in thrift shop heaven! I tried to see if I could get the old fashioned tour of the TR offices, but never heard back. I think they were empty due to COVID.

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They do their Zwift TRI academy each year along with the cycling academy.

But yes. Mostly being churlish

Ditto. The 2 merging would get me to seriously consider jumping ship even though my annual subscription just renewed. Zwift honestly has no appeal to me for multiple reasons, and I expect a merger would also fundamentally change several things I really like about TR. I’d likely wait things out a bit after the announcement should it occur to see what happened, but leaving would definitely be on my radar where it honestly hasn’t been since I joined.

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We’ve been coming here for years, it’s only 2 hours from Sacramento.

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Maybe everyone’s speculation is too limited. Obviously Zwift is going to buy TR and Xert! That way TR can finally include unstructured outside workouts in Adaptive Training, and then Zwift gets a decent training system. :smiley:

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We went to a friends place in Tahoe, which was only about an hour at most, but unfortunately the fires ruined the last half of the trip. Sad that this is the new normal.

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There seems to be some serious misunderstanding among parts of the TR user base of what goes on on Zwift, Sure, there are large number of people doing free rides but based on my experience over the years, about a 1/3 of everyone I see riding on Zwift when I am riding are doing formal workouts (the app shows you which riders are in workout mode although it does not show the actual workout).

Some of those people doing workouts are doing Zwift workouts from the Zwift library. But Zwift is open source for importing workouts from virtually every source EXCEPT TR so virtually every cyclist who has a non-TR plan or a personal coach can and often does do their workout of the day in Zwift if they are riding indoors. The Zwift workout mode is as good if not better than TR’s.

Personally I’ve done 100’s of workouts on Zwift and followed some awesome plans (better than TR plans IMHO) and my sum total Zwift prepared workouts is 3 in 5 years of using Zwift and I have never used a Zwift plan.

If you analyzed riders who do sophisticated plan based training and do any of it indoors, my strong believe based on what and who I see posting Zwift rides is that you’d find way more high end training is being done on Zwift than on TR due to the much broader workouts and plans available and Zwift’s larger user base. People just are not getting those high end workouts and plans from Zwift but that does not mean Zwift (and much of its user base) are not able to make use of (and understand) another source of workouts and plans such as TR.

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Disagree. Zwift’s workout mode is limited to +/- 10% of the target power. TR’s offers way more flexibility with unlimited increase/decrease, extend warm up, and extend cooldown. About the only feature Zwift’s has that TR’s does not is an easy way to skip to the next interval.

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In Zwift you just freeride, it’s pretty simple :slight_smile:

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That has been my thought since this thread started…especially when he was active on other threads.

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I agree with everything you say except this part, but only because we’re talking about the learning curve of Xert, which is pretty high. The learning curve of TR is significantly lower for a newbie to structured training.

This all sounds right to me. I don’t think TR would necessarily stagnate, but I think in the short term (a year or so, maybe more) we probably wouldn’t see any big changes. I suspect TR would continue to improve AT, in particular getting unstructured rides working with AT since that would also benefit Zwift rides in addition to outdoor ones, open up some APIs to send workouts to Zwift and receive completed Zwift rides without going through Strava, and we’d probably get the ability to merge TR and Zwift accounts at some point. Long term, I could see a future where a lot of the basic TR functionality, like workout scheduling, gets re-implemented in Zwift and the TR team is reduced to a small group focused on AT.

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At some point founders do look for an exit strategy. Wonder how much two concussions and Nate’s open familial matters earlier this year has been playing on his exit thoughts. I got my first gut punch that things at TR may change when Pete, through very valid reason, bowed out of TR. Chad has also had big life changes this year, and so has Amber…

Edit: Last year, forgot we well into 2022

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My only thoughts on the matter and my only advice for Nate, if any of the rumors are true…

Make them buy you in CASH

CASH RULES EVERYTHING AROUND ME

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Pretty sure Nate wants to finish AT before he exits. Some of the other shifts seem purely covid related in that it seemed like they were mostly working remote and then realized they could work remote long term without harm

Am I going to have to start lying about my weight?

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