What are we voting for this month? 
Could always try to get the Dubnital Race Grip further up the list since the Race Rapid is in pretty secure position to win this month.
Does the Race casing have the equivalent flat protection as the Protection version of the Race King? Or is the Trail casing needed for that?
One thing that made the Race King Protection tires so popular is they had pretty decent flat protection for a light, low rolling resistance, tire. I wonder which version of the Dubnital is similar…
I’m not sure. I think someone asked that up-thread and never got an answer, so I’m not sure any of us know. It would be useful to know though.
without knowing the answer for certain I’d just assume the Dub Race Casing, Rapid Compound is the successor of the RaceKing 2.2" in every aspect. They just added more options to the portfolio with a Grip Compound (probably intended as a front tire) and the same tires with the Trail Casing, which have more robust sidewalls for rougher trails. But the successor of the RK 2.2" Protection should in my opinion be the Dub RC RC.
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I voted for Specialized Air Trak Flex Lite T5/T7 TLR XC 29x2.35 since I didn’t think we had any reviews of that model planned, and it looked like it was close but not in winning position… I could have been wrong though.
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+1 for the Air Trak (its crazy light for sure, 590gr if i remember correctly!? And mine was from the first batch which has had manufacturer defect: it leaked the air close to the rim, and on the sidewalls several places, while the “same” Fast Trak flex lite hold the air without any sealant in it, for more than 24hrs - 0 psi loss)
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I asked earlier for Rapid/Trail option to be tested. I don’t think Rapid/ Race is the same. I think Pidcock assumed that and flatted at the Olympics and Littlr Sugar. And given some experience of the Racid/Race breaking down quickly it might very be a race only tyre
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My Race King Protection 2.2 Black Chili both weighed around 590 grams. My new Dubnital Rapid Race 2.4 that arrived yesterday are 643 and 647 grams.
In other words, if you calculate the weight difference from 2.2 to 2.4 inch, it could very well be that the Dubnital Rapid Race 2.4 is the long awaited 2.4 ‘Race King’ Black Chili Protection.
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I would think the Dubnital Rapid Race has similar (or better) protection as the Race King Protection Black Chili. The Dubinatal RR in 2.2 had very close weights to my Race King 2.2 Protection Black Chili, both in the low 600 gram range. I believe my Dubnital 2.2 were around 610-615. The 2.4 weighs about 30-40 grams more as expected.
You bring up the diagrams for the casing: I’ve only seen a generic diagram, no difference between the race and trail casing make up. Anyone else seen different?
One of the two weighed 583 grams — I can still picture that number clearly.
The other one was somewhere around 595 grams.
I have the same feeling and agree… would be good next month to vote up ‘trail rapid’ so that we can see the details and how it compares to ‘race rapid’.
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Weights for a new Race King 2.2 Protection (586gm), a 2.4 Rapid/Race Dub (656gm), and a 2.4 Grip/Trail Dub (717gm).
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Anyone find Dubs to be bouncy? I’m getting rim strikes yet over rock gardens it feels like my bike is bouncing over them over instead of rolling.
1 month Peyote thoughts:
I have Dual Peyote tires on a 100mm Epic hardtail. Just wanted to say that I did our local enduro race today and got PRs on like 6 segments, up and down. Which has surprised me. I’ve done this race probably 5 or 6 times now, and ridden these trails 20x over the years. And previously I used more trail focused hardtails with a lot more tread. I’ve seen some people talk about how scary the low tread is but I think you’d be very impressed with how much grip they actually have (on dry trails).
I felt so confident today it was weird. 2 of these trails I usually am sort of scared to ride but today I felt great. And these are trails that I think are 1 step above what you would find in a typical xc race anyways. Got a PR on the one and I would consider it to be the hardest local trail. Here it’s a black but in reality it’s like a high Blue. Lot’s of roots and holes.
Not to say I attribute the improvements all to the tires, but they didn’t seem to be much of a hindrance. I felt in control. Yes they lock up and skid faster than trail tires, but it doesn’t really happen that often. Usually I can slow down when I want to.
Usually I set them to 23r 21f at 185lb, seems to be working great. Haven’t tried lower though. The rear measures 2.35 and the front 2.30, on 25mm ID rims. Weight I already posted somewhere.
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bouncy? i’m guessing you’re running the race carcass which being so light is likely to be less damped than the trail or other heavier tyres. its a natural trade-off - lighter is not always better
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I’m running the trail carcass
Continental Trinotal race - rapid 2.4 - 632gr , will mount later this week
huge difference between race rapid vs race grip (724gr)
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