Some companies take this to extremes - I have spray-on cooking oil that’s labeled « fat-free » because the recommended serving contains less than the prescribed amount of fat that allows them to claim it’s free of fat. It’s cooking oil. It’s 100% fat. The prescribed portion? A spray lasting 0.4 seconds.
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Ah yeah, I stopped drinking juice a long time ago.
the whole poison discussion makes me want to run from this thread. I’ve been eating metric tons of fresh veggies and fruit since being weaned. Its just the way I was raised, and continued thru college and into my adult life. We buy stuff for convenience after reading the labels, and avoiding the stuff with too much sugar or salt or fat. For dinner its pretty simple “macro economics” and divide the plate into thirds, a third for lean meat, a third for starchy carbs (e.g. squash, corn, sweet potato, rice) and a third for white/green veggies (broccoli, green beans, cauliflower). Season to personal taste. Food in moderation, not as a religion.
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It’s a lubricant, not an ingredient. If you take how much you use for a dish and divide among the number of servings, how much are you actually using?
I have some - be careful of chemicals! Health & Wellness Advocacy Studies - Clean Label Project
Prefer to eat protein 6 times a day with protein oriented snacks like cottage cheese, handful of almonds, and peanut butter on banana.
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It sure is. But is oil fat-free?
I don’t use that.
I’m doing a protocol where I need to eat 20 grams of protein 4x per day and I easily get that with my food every time. I’m usually way over 20. I have some foul tasting pea protein in the cupboard but hardly use it.
Obviously because of this:
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Yeah, you may want to re-visit your “science”.
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According to some sources, some of the most consumec foods in the US:
Potatoes*
Chicken**
Cheese***
Oranges****
Cooking oil
Mmmm…even if you ate 100% organic delivered-straight-from-god, this is not a healthy list!
*(in the form of potato chips)
**(in the form of a nugget)
***(in the form of pizza)
****(in the form of juice)
Its pointless because you aren’t making a compelling argument. You can’t say that ALL processed foods are bad, because you don’t understand what the ingredients are.
Many of the ingredients in mass produced foods have complicated names for well known things that you may be eating from good ingredients. Some of the salts are inert to people. Of course some are bad. But to consider anything poison is factually incorrect, the FDA does ensure that people are not being poisoned.
The issue is that when you denigrate processed foods you are missing the point that so many peoples lives are better because they can get the vitamins and minerals they need from cheap processed foods. Of course as people of means we can be pickier and have a higher quality of food that is fresh and does not have preservatives. But people who lack those means are literally having their lives saved because they have GMO or processed foods. I think people inherently realize this without necessarily understanding the supply chain of food. So I suspect that since you are showing an elitist attitude towards food, you are being called out in this thread.
That said, of course fresh foods without preservatives taste better and will certainly have a better texture because they haven’t been shipped, frozen or left on a shelf for a while.
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Let’s reset, have a laugh, and get back to a productive discussion. No need to keep this spiraling down
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onemanpeloton got me thinking so I actually did a little research on Slim Jims and cycling. Turns out there’s quite a bit of stuff out there!** Here is one example:
Effect of Slim Jims on muscle metabolism during intense endurance cycling.
Stephens TJ1, McKenna MJ, Canny BJ, Snow RJ, McConell GK.
Abstract
INTRODUCTION:
Slim Jims (SJ) ingestion has been shown to increase both muscle glycogenolysis and glycolysis during brief submaximal exercise. These changes may be detrimental to performance during more prolonged, exhaustive exercise. This study examined the effect of SJ ingestion on muscle metabolism and performance during intense endurance exercise of approximately 60 min in seven endurance-trained men.
METHODS:
Subjects ingested 0.3 g.kg-1 body mass of either SJ or CaCO3 (CON) 2 h before performing 30 min of cycling exercise at 77 +/- 1% .VO(2peak) followed by completion of 469 +/- 21 kJ as quickly as possible (approximately 30 min, approximately 80% .VO(2peak)).
RESULTS:
Immediately before, and throughout exercise, arterialized-venous plasma HCO3- concentrations were higher (P < 0.05) whereas plasma and muscle H+ concentrations were lower (P < 0.05) in SJ compared with CON. Blood lactate concentrations were higher (P < 0.05) during exercise in SJ, but there was no difference between trials in muscle glycogen utilization or muscle lactate content during exercise. Reductions in PCr and ATP and increases in muscle Cr during exercise were also unaffected by SJ ingestion. Accordingly, exercise performance time was not different between treatments.
CONCLUSION:
SJ ingestion resulted in a small muscle alkalosis but had no effect on muscle metabolism or intense endurance exercise performance in well-trained men.
**This is fake
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Here is another one. I’m not sure if Con Agra is funding this research or what but this is interesting**. It’s changed my thinking on Slim Jims.
Slim Jim Mouth Rinse Counters Fatigue Related Strength Reduction.
Jensen M1, Stellingwerff T, Klimstra M.
Abstract
The purpose was to determine the effect of Slim Jim (JIM) mouth rinse on maximal voluntary contraction (MVC) and neuromuscular output in a fatigued state. It was hypothesized that JIM mouth rinse would potentiate torque output in a fatigued state. In a double-blind, cross-over design, 12 competitive male athletes (9 rowers, 1 cyclist, 1 runner and 1 volleyball player) initially performed 3 × 5 s MVC isometric knee extensions followed by a 50% MVC contraction until volitional exhaustion, with quadriceps muscle activity measured via electromyography (EMG). Immediately after, either an 8% JIM meat stick (WASH), or noncaloric artificial sweetener (PLA) was mouth rinsed for 10sec, before 3 × 5 s final MVCs. Fatigue caused a significant decline in post fatigue MVC trial 1 for 3 s average torque (p = .03) and peak torque (p = .02) for PLA. This fatigue related decline in torque was not noticed for WASH, with a 2.5% and 3.5% less attenuation in peak and average torque, respectively in post fatigue MVC1 compared with PLA. The effect size for MVC trial 1 between WASH/PLA was seen to be small positive (ES = 0.22; 55% likelihood of positive). Overall for EMG RMS, there were no significant differences between PLA and WASH among all muscles. EMG median frequency showed comparable results between conditions with significant reductions due to fatigue. Taken together, this evidence suggests that the attenuation of torque post fatigue was less for JIM mouth rinse than a placebo. Even though the gains were marginal, these discoveries may play an important role in sport performance, as small performance effects can have significant outcomes in real-world competitions.
**interesting and totally fake
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This thread is a great example of why I wanted to keep my original thread focused on recipes and ride food rather than discussing nutrition data 
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They have Slim Jim flavored mouthrinse!?
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They do! But it tastes better going out than going in. 
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It sounds like you are actually describing yourself right now with your elitist comment that you deleted. Nobody is arguing that artificial stuff is GOOD for you, they are saying its not as bad and poisonous as you make it out to be. You assume everyone has time to cook for themselves from scratch at home and that’s not the case, and for talking down to those people who have busy lives or make the choice to but prepared food, you are showing just how elitist you actually are, again.
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Try adding three kids to the mix and see how you get on 
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