What makes you angry?

They can’t demand it, but I may well decide to offer it anyway, since it’s bound to make both of us safer.

Up to you but it should not be expected by the rider behind. They are responsible for their own safety. If they run into a pot hole they have no one to blame but themselves.

I never said that…I am talking about YOUR behavior as a rider. If you KNOW there is a rider on your wheel, invited or not, and you don’t point out hazards to them, it is simply uncool. You can cause serious harm to the other rider’s health or their equipment.

If you think that is justified simply because they are drafting you, I honestly don’t know what to say.

When I can’t figure out where the squeak’s coming from? My BB? My shoe/pedal combo? My seatpost? arrgghhh!

And here we come to the root of the problem.

An uninvited rider gets so close to the rear wheel of a SOLO rider, that the KLINGON can’t manage hazards on their own, and expects the SOLO rider to modify their behaviour to compensate.

Sorry but the KLINGON’s behaviour and expectations is well out of order.

That’s actually not what @Power13 is saying. His comment has nothing to do with the Klingon’s capabilities or expectations. Just with what the SOLO can do. As far as I’m concerned, I don’t care if the Klingon wants, desires, expects, demands or ignores (or even is incapable of understanding) me signaling holes and slowdowns. All I know is that there are less chances of me getting rear-ended if I signal when I’m slowing down, and less chances of a last-second reaction steering into my rear wheel if I signal potholes.

You know - for the same reasons you do it when the rider behind you is someone you know and are riding with.

You know what beach cruiser riders list as things that really make them angry, when chatting on beach cruiser rider forums, right?

Roadies and triathletes.

You keep saying this and I keep repeating that it is NOT what I am saying. For the 3rd or 4th time, I am not defending the behavior of the person behind

I am talking about YOUR behavior…what YOU control, not what others expect from you. I don’t want to be the kind of person, or ride with the kind of person, who is willing to put someone else at bodily risk simply because they tried to catch a draft off you uninvited.

YMMV.

I feel that you are talking @Power13 comments out of context, he was replying to me where I (a little tongue in cheak) said that I would bunny hope over pot holes BECAUSE there was a rider behind me who hadn’t let me know he was there, he just asked me to not to do that, which I feel was fair, what happens when you haven’t said hi, and the lead rider doesn’t know you are there, is a different story, and like he has pointed out several times, is not what we were talking about

When people say “on accident.”

“Learnings.”

Look, unless there’s a risk of the uninvited rider colliding with the SOLO rider, there’s nothing about a SOLO rider’s behaviour that needs to change.

OK, I still don’t think you are grasping what I, and others are saying…so lemme ask you this - someone is on your wheel uninvited and you intentionally do not point out a large pothole. They hit it hard, flip over the bars and crash badly. Are you stopping or just riding off since they were on your wheel uninvited?

For me, it boils down to this - don’t ride like a dck. If you are intentionally putting another rider in a situation where you can cause harm to them, you are riding like a dck.

Let me ask you the question differently. With a bunch of questions.

You are riding with a friend. You are in front. Do you signal the potholes etc? If so, why? Does this involve safety of either riders?

Which of these answers change depending on whether you know the rider behind you or not? Why?

What makes me angry: people who argue endlessly on discussion forums. :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

I wouldn’t mind them one bit if they’d single up! :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

You are too nice. You hop on my wheel unannounced, fine but I am riding solo so you are on your own.

K, don’t ask me this question but I am too often oblivious to what is behind me unless it trips my varia so I am likely not stopping

Lol. I mean honestly … LOL :joy:

Can I get upset if they crash into the back of me when I stop? Or is that still elitist? Should I apologize for not knowing they’re there? :roll_eyes:

This is so true. I just got done riding on the Lakefront Trail in Chicago right along the beach. I was able to knock off work a little early and I unexpectedly had the privilege of deciding between 90 minutes of Z2 on the trainer, or a (potentially) frustrating ride in the sunshine and fresh air on a beautiful spring day in the Midwest. I chose frustration. And was happy to do so :slight_smile:

Was I annoyed by all the pedestrians walking the bike lane? Sure.

Would I rather have not had to wait for the beach cruisers, the public use eBikes and and 4-person-pedal-powered-tourist-death-gondolas (photo below)? Absolutely!!

But I think the thing about these multi-use paths in urban areas is that they were meant to be safe, auto-free paths for transportation. They were not built for training and/or intervals. The way to think of them, in my opinion, is that they are parks, not paths … and there are all different kinds of recreation in a park. And I realized at some point, during a zen-like moment of clarity, that if I was on the path and getting really frustrated at beach cruisers, commuters and tourists … they weren’t the problem. I was the problem for wanting these people (for whom the path was built) out of my way.

It doesn’t mean I don’t get annoyed. But I re-direct that annoyance at myself for thinking it would/should be different, like I did today. But the trade-off for the sunshine and wind in my face was worth it🤘

But, back to the topic at hand: what do I know? I’m an elitist dick who gets angry when someone jeopardizes my safety by riding 6 inches off my wheel when I have no idea they’re there.

I’m never going to change my mind about those unannounced wheel-sucking, inconsiderate, entitled a$$holes. So I’m not sure I’ll change anyone’s mind about anything else…

…with that in mind I’ll push all my chips further into the middle:

I think everyone who jumps on another person’s wheel unannounced should be required to emblazon a non-anodized scarlet letter on their bike so they can be publicly shamed and subjected to other’s scorn and ridicule. They should further be consigned to a life of rim-brakes, mechanical 2x groupsets, butyl tubes, squeaking bottom brackets and frame clearance for nothing more than 700x25s.

THERE. I finally got it all off my chest … whew!! :sweat_smile:

Now I’m going to sit back and watch the world burn :popcorn:

(My apologies to the OP for the thread hijack, but please take some solace in knowing that this outlet has likely made me a more patient father, a better husband and saved me countless hours working all this out in a therapist’s office. Thank you. A thousand times, thank you.)

Not so much angry but more comical. There is a guy at one of our group rides that was bitching about expecting our A group to slow down for him so we don’t drop him.

So funny and if you cannot ride that fast it is time to give up the goat.