The issue is I think (and obviously may be wrong) but think you are in a small minority of TR users (and even runners) who use Stryd. I’m member of a triathlon club and also a local cycle club and running club. All the semi serious and above cyclists have a power meter…I don’t know anyone with a Stryd including some very serious (and fast) runners.
People rated Stryd support super low. We don’ have plans to add it right now.
What is meant by Stryd “Support”? If/(when) TR enables import of runs via Strava, wouldn’t that include any power data captured in Strava for a run, whether from Stryd or elsewhere?
I get that and yes Stryd is very much a niche product. I am coming from the ‘feature’ point of view. I think training Peaks shows run power so when I say ‘a must’ I mean that it is a must for TrainerRoad to keep up with other services.
I suspect that as more of the established brands (Garmin, Sunto, Wahoo, Polar etc) join the market you’ll see more and more users looking at run power.
I rated it highly, but even using the pace and cadence reported by the Stryd would be great. In other words, Stryd FOOTPOD DEVICE support is important. Pulling the power values is not, since I can manually sync it to Stryd’s app directly if I really need to see all the data in detail.
Currently, I Sync TR with Garmin Connect. I see my TR rides in Garmin Connect but not my Garmin Connect Swims / runs in TR. Can the two platforms perform a two-way sync?
It would help me track against TR Triathlon training plans.
Thx.
I moved your post under theing running one with the same goal. See above for all discussion and some recent progress.
Thanks for the quick response. Is there a timeline for the capability in your roadmap?
Not that they have shared. TR typically doesn’t publish info like that.
Thanks for the quick response!
+1 for other non cycling workouts like XC Skiing and cross training/strength training. Basically the options I already have on my Wahoo Ticker X heart rate monitor and app.
I asked your support team for running and swimming sync a year or so ago. I would like to see run/swim uploads and matched to planned workouts. Once you have more data AI-based training. Thanks for your time.
Any update on this? Its been 4 weeks since your 10 engineers started working on it.
I’m sure they’ll tell us when there is something to say.
Sure.
But the data doesnt mean anything outside of what stride defines. You cant take that “power” data and use it universally. On cycling power is by far more consistent across most PM.
Running PM is not even close to what Stride or Garmin or many others are doing with running power.
Unless someone come up with a formula that ALL agree with and use, then is not useful information for anyone but you.
Another +1 here for Run and swim.
But the data doesnt mean anything outside of what stride defines. You cant take that “power” data and use it universally.
I don’t understand this argument. What usage are we considering, if not optimizing workouts and racing?
Like for bikes it’s useful that there’s some consistency (though it’s usually not consistent enough that it’s still a nuisance to switch PM!) if you swap between bikes and don’t swap the PM, because that’s not always possible. So if I switch between my Kickr and my outdoor bike, if the power isn’t comparable, my pacing will be off.
But you don’t swap between feet and the Stryd can just be clipped onto any shoe. So what use is comparing to other PM? You’re not going to buy a running PM for every pair of shoes.
Unless someone come up with a formula that ALL agree with and use, then is not useful information for anyone but you.
I mean, what’s the difference with bike power? If my power meter is broken and reports 2x the real power (or I’m using Virtual Power), what difference does it make to my training and racing? None whatsoever!
About the only thing I can think of for bikes is that if you know the other guys’ power data, you may be able to infer if you have an advantage on the flats or climbs. But running has no coasting so this is not relevant - and if you know their running FTP, you surely also know their threshold pace on the flat (note this latter part doesn’t really work for cycling!).
Conversely, you can think of running power as grade-and-wind adjusted instantaneous pace poured into a number that makes the maths easier (if my threshold pace is 4:05, what’s my 120% VO2Max pace? Now try the same maths with 245W…).
Maybe you “can’t use that data universally” (whatever that means!), but it’s exactly what you want to execute a training plan and race.
Having an objective reference would make it easier to judge the quality of running power meters. But if people mention downsides about the Stryd, then “the numbers seem off” doesn’t tend to be one of them. Because pace and distance are objective, and it’s repeatedly confirmed to be top of the line in measuring those.
The fact that it takes 10 engineers should be a hint it’s a major project that’s going to take a while. They probably only just agreed on what and how to build it
I mean…
I am very sure if I was the owner of a run power meter I would find it useful.
But right now, I think we are not there yet.
What does 400 running watts mean? There is no way to measure power from running… its just a pretend number. It means something to you and you alone. Its a value like you said, grade-and-wind adjusted pace.
It is absolutely not the same as cycling power (an actual thing that can be measure)
The data is only as good as the sensors. And TBH, I haven’t find a wearable device that has a very good altimeter or whatever its called to measure wind.
Like I said, I would not mind a run power meter, but I am not sure how useful it is, other than to get trends over time. And for that we already have other things.
That’s fair. If there’s heavy wind the anemometer isn’t super accurate (and it’s down near the ground to begin with…) so you’ll get a bit more error. I do think it works better than DCRainmaker says The altimeter (for grade) is pretty good and surprisingly sensitive.
As I said, I think the fact that cycling power is a “real” thing and running power isn’t is a complete red herring. I don’t connect a real engine to my bike so whether my 280W cycling wattage is really 350W or 200W because my meter is off doesn’t affect me. As long as the number is consistent. The fact that running power seems artificial comes up a lot in these discussions but unless someone can explain why this matters I don’t see why it’s an argument. If we agree that wind-and-grade adjusted accurate pace is good, it doesn’t matter what conversion formula we use.
Now, to the thing I actually wanted to address: What’s the use?
- If you don’t have a good track or flat surface to do your runs, you can still aim for consistent pace, err, power, targets. (In the clip above with Blummenfelt, notice he’s running up a mountain!)
- For shorter intervals, or areas where GPS reception is spotty, you can still hit your interval targets accurately. This is just way harder without a Stryd because GPS pace lags terribly and you otherwise only know you’re off pace when the interval is already over.
- There’s more software that can analyze in an understandable manner with power (intervals.icu has full support!) than with pace. Maybe it’s more understandable to me because I’m used to bike power, but all the running stuff requires the use of lookup pace tables (or webpages that use those tables) if your fitness evolves. With a Stryd, you get the zones updating automatically because the software continously updates your PDC. It’s a fair argument that all this stuff could just work with pace - but currently it typically doesn’t!
So summarizing: the upside of a Stryd is that it’s easier to get the correct interval intensity as your fitness evolves, to hit it during interval workouts and keep doing so if the situation isn’t ideal (no flats, presence of wind).
If these upsides are meaningful to you, it might be useful. If they’re not, it won’t. I do admit this is different from bike power, where the alternative would be to work out with HR, ugh!