again, I disagree with you here. Just because some people don’t understand what FTP is, doesn’t mean its not well defined. It’s a proxy for LT2, but that’s kind of beside my point.
If your metric is an approximation of that, and you change it to be ‘the workout level baseline where we think you’ll get the most benefit’, you’ve changed the definition and shouldn’t call it the same thing.
If not don’t be surprised when people are asking these questions everywhere on the forums
And I’m out, nice catching up with you all! 
Maybe dip my head back in to see the aftermath.
People misunderstanding the definition does not mean it’s not well defined though.
100%
I agree that we’ve been arguing about FTP for years, but I also agree that all of this could be avoided by changing the name.
Yep. Just call it TR level or something.
Then people will start freaking out about the change because FTP is gone. “What happened to my FTP? I need to know my FTP!”
You could easily leave it in there, or burry it in a stats page.
To be clear, I’m not against the innovation here, just conflating it with something it’s not.
How do you turn this off? I’m happy with my manual approach, and this is cluttering up my calendar 
You can turn off the fatigue protection in settings along with auto add time (that seems silly unless you are time crunched and can’t add time). For the other stuff when you add a workout pin it and the ai won’t adjust it. Other than that this is the new stuff and not something that can be switched off
You can just have both. Here is your ftp (say 300w) then here is your TR level. Could have 2 people with the same ftp but a different TR level.
Congrats @Nate_Pearson
IIRC, Nate said that’s how they use PLs currently. “FTP” + PLs = Fitness.
How do you “pin it” ? I’m using the website, and I see some workouts I’ve added are in fact pinned, but I don’t see a way to either pin or unpin a workout.
If it helps, all of my workouts are either custom TR workouts, or outside rides. Are custom workouts unable to be pinned/unpinned?
Right click on a workout on your calendar and click Pin Workout
If it shows the ai razzle dazzle then it is one that the ai can and might adjust in the future, I don’t know if it auto pins or just ignores custom stuff
any workout with the razzle dazzle should have this when you click on it and allow you to pin it changing it to a pin
The only purpose of “FTP” is to be a number to guide (not dictate) power targets for workouts.
Along the way people started treating it as a primary training outcome, rather than just something to guide training, because people like numbers and are competitive.
When you keep that in mind, the exact definition of FTP and exactly how you test it, become less of an issue.
it’s just a starting number to generate some plausible workouts. If you have some other way to generate plausible workouts, that’s gonna be just as valid.
The goal here is to create an appropriate training program so you can get faster and stronger. “Traditional” FTP testing via whatever method you personally like is just one of the possible routes to generating that training program.
Oops. I’d sent customer support an email, so I thought I was replying to them, not the forum 
It looks like custom workouts cannot be pinned or unpinned manually, but they are automatically pinned.
I think this is not the way to rollout a new feature i.e. forcing it on users vs. opt-in/out. But, I realize I’m in a very small minority by only using my own custom workouts and manually setting my FTP based on my own criteria.
No worries on the support mistake.
Custom stuff in the past would have been “pinned” even though that wasn’t a thing in that I don’t believe that the adaptive training did anything with those custom workouts. So in that regard I don’t think that change was really something forced upon people. Can definitely see why some people don’t want the changes and don’t like it can’t be turned off, some of it can still be toggled off but the core of it does seem to just be what the software is now. I can’t really fault them for just making it the same for everyone, but do understand the frustration.
