TR 2020 Running Thread

Heh, neither do I in the grand scheme. I “learned” to run in low drop shoes so that’s where I like to stay.
Tallest shoe I’ve owned is 6mm

For racing or daily running?

I would HIGHLY recommend Reebok Floatride Energy 2. Best neutral shoes i have use since the adidas Supernova Glide 8 (and i loved this shoe so much that i bough 3 pairs before they went out of production). My first pair has about 500 miles and still going strong. Some people are reporting over 1000 miles on them (the midsole doesn’t compress like EVA based shoes). YMMV of course (if you drag your feet for example)

If you are looking for a race shoe, I really like the adidas adizero Boston. More expensive, but super light and long lasting.
My personal race shoe for is the adidas adizero adios 4.
And for shorte stuff i have the remains of the adidas adizero Takumi Sen. Another good choice is the NB 1400 or 1500s, but i just an adidas fan boy. I have also use Nike Pegasus 35 and 36 (both very good shoes).

This is the the difference between the heel and midfoot height. A 0 means there are the same height and usually used on whats called racing flats. You can have 0 drop with huge soles.
10 is usually the height for daily running shoes. 6 is usually racing shoes. The more drop, the harder they will be on your calfs.

no…the opposite. The lower the drop the more you will use the calfs. higher drop means your calf will be more elevated while you run.

On flats the idea is you will basically run on the fore foot and not use your heels.

I highly recommend ON Running shoes. I have the Cloudflow, Cloud x and Cloudventure. They are fantastic.

Agreed, finding that balance is half the battle/“fun” in triathlon. :slight_smile: There’s also the approach of looking at what’s going to get the greatest return on investment in terms of race performance. Certainly as the race distance goes up the swim becomes less and less important time wise, but also sets up your day. Equally, your bike will take up the most amount of time in your race (hopefully… :joy:) and how you pace the bike is a large factor in how your run will go. Browsing various race results over the years the fastest runs of the day are typically on the podium and the runs have been getting faster and faster (in 70.3’s especially) so there’s usually a lot of “low hanging fruit” available there for a lot of triathletes.

I’ve also been putting in lots of miles on the Pegasus 35 this year–I’m a big fan of all the Nike Zoom line and have been running in various models for years (usually picked up when I’m visiting a city with a Nike Factory Store, since I’m cheap. :joy:). I’ve only got as crazy with them as going to the original Zoom Fly’s (bought at said Factory Store, since they were actually there), but haven’t gone to the vapor/alpha fly stage of the line.

100% disagree.
Im a horrible swimmer. If it wasnt for that i would have AG podium on most of the races I have done.

So that would definitely be a weakness you could focus on. However, the question would be if the return on investment in terms of time you’d need to spend on that vs. how much time you’d gain in a race would be worth it compared to putting that time into improving your bike or run for the same amount of time gained in a race? That’s the balancing act. :slight_smile: Anyway, this is getting a little off-topic for a running thread, but the question was in relation to triathlon so oh well. :grinning:

Yeah Im not on board with the argument at all, Im afraid. Its a commonly held position, I know, but I think it comes from a place that essentially wants to find less reason to swim. Telling triathletes they dont need to swim so much is preaching to the converted.:sweat_smile:

I am on board with injury-risk-free training, building skills that take a long time to develop not restarting every season, and getting out of the water fresh in advance of most of the field with a smile on my face :wink:

There is even such a thing as a swim-focussed Ironman plan :scream:

I’m playing devil’s advocate a bit here and I’m obviously not saying don’t train the swim, but my original point was that to actually do a true single-sport focus you’re going to have to really back off on the other two (be that a focus on swim, bike or run)–this isn’t a long term triathlon training plan of course. :wink:

Without a strong or even decent swim you are under preparing yourself for the bike and run. If you’re getting out of the water rattled and exhausted how do you think that will affect the rest of the race? It’s a fact most triathletes don’t prepare for the swim enough but how many top finishers have a really bad swim?

Wait a sec, isnt this a running thread? :thinking:

I said the same thing so I’ll keep it to running now. :slight_smile: What speed did you end up running your MLSSv intervals at and how different was it compared to how you originally thought you’d do them?

I threw a screenshot up earlier;

So for now I’m going to try to hold the pace at 6:15 and my VDOT T pace is 5:59-6:09
Feels sustainable, may slow it by another 5s if the longer intervals start getting to me

The study is so hard to understand because they state MLSS is slower than M, the runners all did HM in 83±5min and their tested TTE pre training for MLSS pace was 44±10min. Like if MLSS TTE was shorter than HM time then one should assume they ran faster than HM… But other factors could be at play like the 2x 20min runs they did beforehand. :confounded:

I saw that, but couldn’t tell what the interval paces were. :wink:

Yeah, it’s hard to really zero in on exactly what they’re targeting for pace since there’s contradictory info in there. Oh well, it’ll be a good experiment to see how you handle your target pace(s) and the outcome of that at the end for you either way. :slight_smile:

Talking about shoe’s.

I am an overpronator. My training shoe is the Saucony Omni.
For racing I have currently the Saucony Fastwitch. A light shoe but with little support.

As an overpronator I have little choice in fast racing shoes.
Would be going go for insole and neutral shoe’s be a good solution?

insole in neutral shoe: You won’t know until you try

While I don’t overpronate, my left ankle due to previous injuries prefers some support. I also use high arch insoles. If I run in stability shoes, I never have any issues, other than feeling like I have bricks on my feet. However, if I go neutral, it will depend on the shoe. They’re not all the same. Also, you might be able to get away with the neutral on workout days and go support for when you’re tired or feeling a bit beat up. Again, you won’t know until you try the shoe in with your insole. You will probaly feel go or no go right away.

yes you are right. Just wanted to hear if someone is in same position as me :slight_smile:

I’ll probably go to shop to see what they advise for a race shoe.

The New Balance 1500 might be a good option for you.

Speaking of NB

@kimi I currently have a pair of their Fuelcell Prisms in my rotation. First time w/NB, but I’m loving shoe. It has a medial post, but is very very light stability. For anyone needing stability, this probably isn’t the shoe. I’ve done track sessions as well as long runs in it and absolutely love it. Might be worth checking out.