@Nate_Pearson I am slightly puzzled. Not so long ago (some time late '22/early '23 I believe) I agreed to forego the “Grandfathered” legacy subscription and pay the full price, on the basis of all these improvements over the years. I understood that was going to be $189 and my subscription renews at the end of July.
When is this due to go up? What am I going to be charged at the end July?
Will there be an explanation of how the different sports impact fatigue? Right now TR doesn’t know my run thresholds or take into account run RPE and yet it is impacting RLGL. Some explanation would be helpful.
I kept my TR subscription for years, even when I wasn’t active. As I enjoyed the substantially better experience when I came back, I did not “opt out” of the price increase last time around. I’d feel a lot better about another increase this soon if Workout Levels for unstructured outdoor rides was part of the deal.
I’m barely riding at the moment but I’ll stay subscribed regardless of price. I care more about the long term profitability of TR because I’d like for TR to be around in 20 years.
Jumping from $19.99 to $21.99 has known psychological effects.
Have you considered other forms of revenue, like in-app purchases?
When you add all these new features, it cuts both ways. Some people love the new features while others might feel they’re overpaying for not using them. Itemize them and people will know exactly what they’re getting, and the reality is that people aren’t afraid to spend money when it’s $2 here and $2 there. People pay $2.99 for a slice of avocado all day long.
Agree, the run fatigue seems a bit weird when seems to have no idea if my hour run is easy jog or flat out 10 miles for example…at least doesn’t seem to.
I’d like to preface this by saying I’m actually letting my legacy TR sub go when it’s up for renewal this fall. I have been a user since, 2015 or 2016 I think? Can’t exactly remember, age is catching up to me ha. Long time though. TR has really diverged a lot from what I am looking for, so after much internal debate I’m finally letting go.
So that said, I think for people that are using TR, it’s a no brainer. I do agree TR should just publish their new price and not hash it out again, but if the products they are rolling out are of use to you, it’s still a great deal
You may be right. My concern is that without trying to match an unstructured outdoor workout to a TR outdoor workout (which TR support has discouraged me from doing) unstructured workouts, or variations I do when I have a TR workout loaded, my PLs continue to decline where my capacity/capability may actually be growing and I’m missing opportunities to incrementally build on that. That’s the big win in WLv2 that’s still missing.
If/when the additional activities/workout types contribute to RLGL that will be a big win, and kudos to TR. I’ll watch with great interest how the workflow for those additional activities go from doing to capturing to auto upload to TR to interpretation to integration with RLGL
I think it’s about Nate / team being transparent and being more human in the process, respecting his existing community of customers.
Long time user here; I’m not going anywhere.
But… you sure would make the value proposition better if i didn’t also have to pay for an Performance Management Chart (PMC) tool too. I subscribe to Intervals.icu because yours is so minimal. Maybe it’s a licensing issue, but it would add a lot of value, with only a limited amount of new code.
But you don’t have to pay for ICU. It’s free - donationware.
I do feel sorry for David @ icu, people who say “I don’t subscribe to TR” get but what about the pod cast, and the forum, that’s worth the subscription, and “I have been a legacy subscriber to TR because I believe in the product”
Say you pay for intervals.icu (one of the most used websites) and the response is always … why, it’s a shame people can’t believe in that product as well
well, i know how much it costs to build, maintain, and operate systems, so i’m not going to freeload.
i’d rather Nate work it out with the Friels for a PMC chart (which is the gold standard performance management tool), and include that in my subscription.
You’re right, i SHOULD believe in the value of Intervals.icu, but it’s waaay more than i need. 99% of my visits are to check the PMC on the Fitness tab because my stupid brain can’t tell if the body is tired today without a number.
I’m a long term TR user on legacy pricing. I do believe TR is the best and most reliable training platform available, however, I’m not a serious cyclist, don’t race, don’t follow plans. I use TrainNow 2-3 times a week to maintain general cycling fitness. For me, based in Australia and considering exchange rates, I cannot justify paying more than I currently pay.
I see this used as a reason all the time, but what the software is already paid for. Salaries to develop said features are paid for.
Also my .2c. Still waiting on simple features that TrainingPeaks has had in the bag for my entire career of training.
TR needs to pay for support staff, servers, administration, etc. even if they stopped adding any features.
You are on legacy pricing……your price remains the same.
I totally get it, and you are right. I have used workout matching with outdoor rides only for endurance rides. I am sure TR could have released whatever they arrived at as v1.0 and the thing they are working on now as v2.0. But whatever they have shelved hasn’t passed the bar, and I’m happy when companies err on the side of getting it right. Even if it frustrated customers (= us).
Yes!
RL/GL works great for me. I thought this would be more difficult to implement than WLv2, but apparently not. The idea to first get out something that works very in a narrower set of circumstances and then expand it is smart.
I hope sleep data is next. HRV could also be interesting, but compared to sleep it is a rounding error in terms of significance.
Happily pay the price increase. There’s no system better than TR. Tremendous value even with a price increase!
I understand the need for the increase, you’re running a business and financials need to work.
For me though, it will probably drive me away, at least from the yearly plan. My income hasn’t caught up with inflation either. I’ll try other training tools, or stick with TR during the indoor-only months.
I might be pursued to stay depending on new features to be added until my renewal is due. I’ve been waiting for workout levels V2 for a while now.