The latest I saw from Nate on WLV2 (April 15, 2024):
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@Nate_Pearson I’ll follow up on this and DM you @ACree 
Thank you for reaching out, but don’t waste your time on me. I’m in 0.1% of TR users and don’t think there’s much for other user’s to benefit from my experience. I’ve found what works for me and goes against most of what TR recommends. I will add this though, TR does little if anything for retention of its long time users. TR is not alone in this, as very few services do either. However, one of the things that brought me to TR and has kept me was TR’s, and particularly Nate’s, relationship and candidness to its customers. I no longer feel this and haven’t for a couple years.
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I’ve posted numerous times in other forum topics what I’ve been doing so you’ll have to search for more details. In short, no rest days except the Monday of a recovery week (yes, that’s 1 off day per month). Focus on raising TSS and CTL. More volume (22+ hours weeks regularly) and less intensity. Pushing the TSS before my “A” race with a loading phase that had me topping out at 1129 TSS. Doing a much harder week during my taper into races realizing I race better with fatigue in the legs.
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If it had been a random $2 increase alone I probably would have baulked but its on the back of what to me seem like significant improvement, namely AT and AI FTPD and to a degree RLGL and it seems justified.
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Another “I will stay at that price” vote. Cheaper than a lot of other crap I do. At some price point maybe I would change my mind but I still get value from it at that price. Especially coupled with the podcast
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@Nate_Pearson I am slightly puzzled. Not so long ago (some time late '22/early '23 I believe) I agreed to forego the “Grandfathered” legacy subscription and pay the full price, on the basis of all these improvements over the years. I understood that was going to be $189 and my subscription renews at the end of July.
When is this due to go up? What am I going to be charged at the end July?
Will there be an explanation of how the different sports impact fatigue? Right now TR doesn’t know my run thresholds or take into account run RPE and yet it is impacting RLGL. Some explanation would be helpful.
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I kept my TR subscription for years, even when I wasn’t active. As I enjoyed the substantially better experience when I came back, I did not “opt out” of the price increase last time around. I’d feel a lot better about another increase this soon if Workout Levels for unstructured outdoor rides was part of the deal.
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I’m barely riding at the moment but I’ll stay subscribed regardless of price. I care more about the long term profitability of TR because I’d like for TR to be around in 20 years.
Jumping from $19.99 to $21.99 has known psychological effects.
Have you considered other forms of revenue, like in-app purchases?
When you add all these new features, it cuts both ways. Some people love the new features while others might feel they’re overpaying for not using them. Itemize them and people will know exactly what they’re getting, and the reality is that people aren’t afraid to spend money when it’s $2 here and $2 there. People pay $2.99 for a slice of avocado all day long.
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Agree, the run fatigue seems a bit weird when seems to have no idea if my hour run is easy jog or flat out 10 miles for example…at least doesn’t seem to.
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I’d like to preface this by saying I’m actually letting my legacy TR sub go when it’s up for renewal this fall. I have been a user since, 2015 or 2016 I think? Can’t exactly remember, age is catching up to me ha. Long time though. TR has really diverged a lot from what I am looking for, so after much internal debate I’m finally letting go.
So that said, I think for people that are using TR, it’s a no brainer. I do agree TR should just publish their new price and not hash it out again, but if the products they are rolling out are of use to you, it’s still a great deal
You may be right. My concern is that without trying to match an unstructured outdoor workout to a TR outdoor workout (which TR support has discouraged me from doing) unstructured workouts, or variations I do when I have a TR workout loaded, my PLs continue to decline where my capacity/capability may actually be growing and I’m missing opportunities to incrementally build on that. That’s the big win in WLv2 that’s still missing.
If/when the additional activities/workout types contribute to RLGL that will be a big win, and kudos to TR. I’ll watch with great interest how the workflow for those additional activities go from doing to capturing to auto upload to TR to interpretation to integration with RLGL
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I think it’s about Nate / team being transparent and being more human in the process, respecting his existing community of customers.
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Long time user here; I’m not going anywhere.
But… you sure would make the value proposition better if i didn’t also have to pay for an Performance Management Chart (PMC) tool too. I subscribe to Intervals.icu because yours is so minimal. Maybe it’s a licensing issue, but it would add a lot of value, with only a limited amount of new code.
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But you don’t have to pay for ICU. It’s free - donationware.
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I do feel sorry for David @ icu, people who say “I don’t subscribe to TR” get but what about the pod cast, and the forum, that’s worth the subscription, and “I have been a legacy subscriber to TR because I believe in the product”
Say you pay for intervals.icu (one of the most used websites) and the response is always … why, it’s a shame people can’t believe in that product as well
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well, i know how much it costs to build, maintain, and operate systems, so i’m not going to freeload.
i’d rather Nate work it out with the Friels for a PMC chart (which is the gold standard performance management tool), and include that in my subscription.
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You’re right, i SHOULD believe in the value of Intervals.icu, but it’s waaay more than i need. 99% of my visits are to check the PMC on the Fitness tab because my stupid brain can’t tell if the body is tired today without a number.