The Ironman Training Thread 2024

Long ride/brick question:

I’m using the TR LV full plan for IM California with one exception, I’m incorporating a couple of long rides with long bricks (two of them). These will consist of a 5 hour ride, followed by a 13 mile run. I pulled this from another plan, and from some reading on Slowtwitch. I’m hoping to gain some insight into my pacing for the race. TR has me doing a 5 hour ride via intervals. The plan I pulled this from and my readings at Slowtwitch suggest going slightly above race pace for the entire ride. The thought being that if I can hold that and run well, then I should be good for a predicted 6 hour bike and the full marathon in the race. My current race plan is to do the bike at a .67 IF, so the training ride would be done at around .68, if that goes really well maybe I do the next brick (3 weeks out) at .69, and if that goes well adjust my race IF up a bit.

Any thoughts on this? Have any of you done similar with good results in the past?

Tell me you’re an Ironman without telling me you’re an Ironman…

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Generally speaking I can’t think of any coach advising half marathon brick sessions, if anything they tend towards having very few brick and/or very short.

If this is a one off like a half iron before a full, so your biggest session in the plan then it would make sense.

Tailoring it to a TR plan, I would look to back off other running that week.

A big factor in this whole question is where you are on the scale of Newbie/BoP to AG Champ? If a half marathon is an easy 1:45 jog for you then that’s a different question to someone who has it an all out 2:30.

I did a 70.3 in Tahoe last month, ran the half in 2:04 at 6000’ elevation. My open half is probably around a 1:45 at sea level. I did an open marathon (CIM) last December in 3:49. So not fast by any means, but not a slug.

Yes, I would for sure drop some running the week of or after. Or just follow the TR plan. Or keep second guessing myself and drive myself nuts, lol.

I’ll post a full race report later this week, but Tri-Cities was top notch. Fast, pleasant swim, awesome bike course, and a lovely run. I’d totally do this race again next year.

Will be following this thread for the remainder of the year and into 2025.

Interested to hear from @DanF his view on Ironman California once he completes it. I’m targeting that one for 2025 with 2-3 70.3 tune up priority 2 races prior.

It’s been a decade since my prior 70.3 races and I’ve done plenty of back-to-back century rides, but my run is where I struggle. Not worried about finishing, as I’m confident I’ll make the bike cut-off, but I’d like to have a good experience and a solid overall time. Open to suggestions and looking forward to the community. Thanks in advance.

I’ll be sure to report back after race day!

I did the swim course 2 weeks ago. So fast! My fastest open water 70.3 was 38 minutes, although this was done in Truckee CA at nearly 6k feet elevation so not totally relevant. My time for the IMCA swim was 48 minutes. The current REALLY pushes you along.

I should be right at 6 hours for the bike. It’s super flat and straight, you can stay aero for all but a couple minutes of the entire bike course.

I have ran portions of the run. At first it looked like a mess of a course, but I think the layout is going to be really cool. You can have family or friends hang at the tower bridge and see you 6 times before you head into downtown towards the finish.

This is my first full IM, pretty stoked as it’s just 5 weeks out!

Welcome back to long course triathlon! :smiling_imp:

There’s loads of good advice here, have a browse, ask some questions. If youve done it before you’ll know the basics, I’d say there are a few more ways to skin the cat in the ten years that have passed, but consistency and progressive overload are still the same.

More emphasis on rest, nutrition and strength these days.

Sounds great, I’d emphasise comfort over cda if you’re down for six hours. Good luck and enjoy!

@DanF
I did IMCA last year and doing it again this year. Its to close to me being in Reno not to go back. The biggest unknown factor for this race is the weather, as seen from the past races. It can be sunny, windy, rainy, snowy or all the above this time of the year. Last year was perfect for most of the day until it started to rain later in the day.

I would say the swim is faster then what people thing. The current really pushes you. I was thinking I was going to be around 45 mins and swam 39 mins. I was really surprised. The only thing is where to 2 rivers come together, make sure you are farther right then left of the buoy. If you are left of the turn buoy, you will have to swim upriver to make the turn and you may have a hard time getting to it. It’s a fairly long run to T1.

The bike is really simple, flat and fast. There are a few rough bits of road so be prepared. Babel Slough Rd. really sucks and the last 2 or so miles of each lap. After Babel Slough the roads are really smooth but don’t have a shoulder and have a drop off. Just be wary of that especially on the second lap when everyone is on the bike. Last year there was an ambulance for someone who I think accidentally went off the side.

The run is decently nice. 2 laps with a few out and backs. I was about halfway through the run when it started to rain. It flooded parts of the Discovery Park trail. Wasn’t a huge deal but just something of note. It rained for about 45 mins and then stopped. It started to rain again about 1 hour after I finished and it continued the rest of the night.

I finished in 9 hours and 1 min last year. Hope to be in the 8 hour 30-40 min area this year. Good luck to all those racing this year and upcoming years.

Was anyone else at IM Wales this weekend just past?

Well…. I’m an Ironman! Although, it would seem like the universe did everything in its power to prevent it.

Ironman Wales is a tough enough course as it is, but coming down with a cold on the Tuesday prior had me worried that I would not even be starting. My HRV was trending downwards and by Thursday I was firmly into the red. Friday saw no improvement, but Saturday I woke up feeling okay and would be at least starting the race on Sunday morning.

:man_swimming: Tenby is usually sheltered from the prevailing westerly wind, but we had some stormy weather from the East. The sea looked choppy from atop the cliff overlooking the bay (although the distance may have masked how choppy), but nothing unfamiliar so I thought.
After hanging my pink bag on the decent down onto the beach (more on that later) I head towards the pens where you sort yourself into your expected finish time. I bump into a group of friends where I hop the barrier and place myself in the 1:15-1:20 group with them. Anthem, fireworks and off we go directly into the oncoming spring tide.
Once I’m 100-200m in, I start struggling for breath. In my mind, I put it down to the illness and began to think it was a stupid idea starting. I was contemplating rolling onto my back and putting my arm in the air. I treaded water a couple of times to catch my breath, compose and carry on to the first buoy. It was a lot more choppy out there than I first thought.
Once around the first buoy, there was some respite from the tide as it is then at a right angle to you and I settled into a rhythm and became more comfortable on the long back straight. Imagine a door wedge with a blunt nose, that is the shape of the route.
At the second and third buoys (around 200m apart, which forms the blunt nose of the wedge), you are back closer to the shore, where the tide funnels along it back towards the start, so you have another swim against the tide for about another 200m across the nose of the wedge. After rounding the third buoy, you then have that cross shore tide carry you in to complete the first lap. 40 mins on the watch was about par for me. Seeing my daughter on the Aussie exit was much needed!

:man_swimming: Lap 2 and the conditions had gotten worse. The wind had picked up, the swell had grown and getting out to the first buoy was much more difficult than the first lap. At the first buoy, there were many people struggling, kayaks and boats were always on the move try to reach those in need. After rounding the buoy, again… a nice bit of respite along the back straight with waves at your side. Once at the second buoy, the current was ridiculous. It required so much effort to make forward progress. Once rounded, I noticed the third buoy was closer as it had been dragged by the tide. To reach it was basically like swimming across a fast moving river. You had to swim at a 45 degree angle for about 100m to make it. The majority of people were not bothering to swim to it or just had no strength left and succumbed to the current and went with the flow. Not wanting to risk a DNF, I persisted and managed to eventually get around it then surfed it back in. It was a relief to be heading back to shore. I read afterwards that the third buoy had to be towed away as it moved way off course. Also, the local lifeboat was deployed out to the first buoy sometime after I had passed it, as there were so many people struggling and supposedly a lot of people had to be rescued from the water. People joke that even the swim at Ironman Wales is uphill. It certainly was this day :sweat_smile:

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T1 - IMWales is unique in that once you complete the swim, you run up the beach to a 50m zig-zag path that climbs the overlooking cliff lined with spectators. On the way down the zig-zag path to the swim, you hang a pink bag that contains some old running shoes, bottle of water to rinse feet, etc. After the swim, you run up the path (or walk in most people’s case), grab your shoes and then you have to run about 1km in your wetsuit (or strip half way or full) to transition. The entire route is lined with spectators cheering you on. The amount of support here is crazy! Once in T1, I took my time stripping off my wetsuit, drying off and preparing for the bike. Around a 50-100m run in my cycling shoes to the bike and off out of T1 where I was greeted by my wife and youngest daughter.

:man_biking: The bike was my happy place as I’m familiar with the course. It’s 2,500m of elevation, but it’s home territory. You head off back down the lined streets you just ran up into T1 and thankfully it was dry and overcast. Temp not hot, not cold… just right. The first hour on the bike course isn’t too challenging. A nice tailwind meant I could take it easy while still laying down a bit of speed. 20 mins in and I pass my sisters house with her, my niece and nephew out cheering me on.
The first respectable hill was 30 mins in and I was surprised by quite a few people giving it some gas going up the hill. At the top, there is a steep decent followed by some rolling hills, sharp bends and another fast technical decent. People seemed to stay in single file and fuel up here so I decided to put my gas down along this section and I made up so many places, so I decided to take it easy going up the hills and then push on the fast technical sections in the hopes that that would be a more efficient strategy.
Reaching the first aid station at Angle signalled the end of the tailwind and I had made up quite a few places while being efficient and now it was head down for the next 45 mins into the headwind.
Once back at Lamphey, you begin the first loop of the hilly section. Lots of hills, fast technical downhill sections where I continued with the same strategy. At a small village called Templeton, there is a steep climb and here was a young lad who was continually running up and down the hill playing his guitar while singing along. Such a delight takes your mind off the climb.
I was looking forward to reaching the most hilly section as I’ve read so much about the supporters on the two toughest hills. Wiseman’s bridge is the first, where a man with a strong American accent greets every cyclist with a compliment or encouragement. Halfway up the 16% gradient, the Mysterious Man with his click counter tells you your current position on the first lap. At the top, a hoard of nuns.
Once over the top, you’re straight into the most technical section of the course. A fast twisty downhill shaded by the surrounded woodland. The road was a little damp, but I knew the course well and where to push and where to brake. Must have been a few accidents here as there was a Marshall stationed there on lap 2 urging caution prior to the bends.
Next up was Heartbreak Hill. The beginning of the ascent has barriers to keep the supporters back a bit. Two riders side by side max. My brother in law was here, cheering me on. The hill then levels off for a bit before climbing up again. Here, there are no barriers and the crowd always line the road in all sorts of fancy dress costumes or not many clothes at all, beers in hand, music blaring, everyone cheering you on and only enough room for single-file cycling. It’s absolutely crazy and you can play to the crowd if you so wish. They will love you for it! You forget you are cycling up a steep hill.

Heartbreak hill FPV experience: IRONMAN UK on Instagram: "Ever wondered what it’s like to ride up Heartbreak Hill?😏"

After HB Hill, a fast decent back into Tenby concluded the first lap in around 4 hours and you’re onto your second. Around the 5 hour mark, I lost a bit of power which I thought was due to a high body temp. I reached an aid station at Narberth where I emptied a bottle of water over my head. A bit pointless because it began to rain 2 minutes later, but the rain perked me up before the fast stuff and the fun hills where the crowds still lined the roads there on Heartbreak hill in the rain.

T2 - Once into T2, I put on some nice fresh socks, running shoes on and some nasal spray to unblock my nose a bit and off I went.

:man_running: I was quite confident heading into the run as I had conserved energy on the bike pretty well. Earlier in the year, I could hardly run due to injury. For many months all I could do was run/walks. After lots of strength training, I was able to build some run volume, although anything beyond 30k was unknown territory.
Off the bike out of T2, my legs felt okay, 6:00/km felt comfortable during training, so I began pacing to that. Although my stomach felt like there wasn’t room for anything else to be put in there.
The support around Tenby town is incredible. The rain didn’t dampen any spirits. After a short run through town, you head out of Tenby on an uphill battle. You’re either running uphill or downhill. There isn’t much flat anywhere.
The first lap went okay. A little under pace, but thought I could make it back up as my heart rate was pretty good. I grabbed my first lap band at New Hedges - the furthest point away from the run start/finish, quick toilet break and headed back to Tenby.
My second lap was a bit slower again and my legs began to feel like they were heavier and I couldn’t stomach anymore fuel. We also
had torrential rain during lap 2. My feet were soaked through, so I ran through the streams of rain coming down the road as it had a nice cooling effect. On the other side of the road, the last riders were still out on course, coming into T2 soaked through. I would not have liked to have been out on the bike during that rain. I collected my second lap band and headed back down to town. The smell of Thai food in the Main Street of Tenby was so good, then onto grilled food in another street which smelled great, but the smell of deep-fried churros in the next street made me feel sick.
At the start of the third lap, I hit a wall and I had to walk for about 5 mins as I made the uphill trek out of town, past my hotel and began to contemplate why I’m doing this. I know my mind, I was never signing up to another event ever again. As the steepest part of the hill rounded off into a gentle hill, I attempted to run again… albeit very slowly. The rain wasn’t very cooling, so more water over the head at the next aid station halfway up the hill. No energy, no fuel, no motivation to keep going. Not sure what urged me on, put I kept going slowly. Once I got that third lap band at the top of the climb, I took on a few Jelly babies and a sip of water which seemed to be my saving grace. That and heading back downhill. On the way back past my hotel, my daughter ran with me for a bit which was nice. I made my way through town once again and began my final lap.
The final lap climb wasn’t as bad this time, although now it was dark, so the scenery and people watching was no longer a part of the route. Although still great support on the sidelines. PI managed to keep a nice steady pace up the hill, take on a few Jelly Babies and water over the head at the aid stations. Not sure why I felt hot. There was people running with jackets, foil blankets etc. and my heart rate was lower than usual. Maybe the cold I picked up prior had some sort of an effect or something. I’m not sure. Collecting that final lap band at the top of the hill was so relieving. The downhills were starting to have an effect on the joints and there is one steepish hill that leads down to Tenby harbour that really magnifies it. After that, it is back up to weave through the town centre before heading down a quiet little street that overlooks Tenby south beach. No shops, restaurants, cafes or pubs. Just an eerie little street. After you round another corner, there is a man wearing a white Jaws (the movie) T-shirt giving out words of encouragement. He was there on every lap, standing in the exact same spot. It seemed quite strange but very memorable. Turns out, he is also the Mysterious Man with the counter from Wiseman’s Bridge hill on lap one. Its also quite strange how this particular spot is so close to the finish line, although it’s so quiet and dark. It’s just you and your thoughts then bang… there’s Jaws guy with a compliment to bring your focus back before heading back out into the limelight.

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:checkered_flag: I was relieved to be heading onto the red carpet this time and bypassing the lap sign. A brief ring of the bell, a hug for the family and across the line I go. After collecting my medal I headed for the finishers tent. I had a craving for pizza at the end of lap three (haven’t eaten pizza for a long time) and low and behold, pizza galore in there to which I helped myself. I scoffed that down and a mate of mine came through who finished less than a minute behind. We exchanged our thoughts and feelings, congratulated each other, then I was off to meet my family outside of transition.

TL:DR Summary - From thinking I might not start due to illness, to starting and almost instantly regretting it, it was a pretty gruelling day. The swim was brutal, the bike was okay with rain towards the end and the run was beyond anything I’ve ever ran and also wet. Pleased to have finished and not in a hurry to sign up to another full just yet.

Yup. See above :point_up_2:

It was a tough day out for sure!

In many respects it sounds like your day mirrors mine.

I’m still struggling to process it. I had real issues taking on anywhere near enough fuelling from the bike and through the run.

The run was pretty much a walk for two laps which I’m really disappointed with… But, as my friends remind me - I finished.

A brilliant day out in testing conditions. I’d recommend it to anyone… But do not go into it under prepared :grimacing:

Im wondering if the inability to take on fuel was due to the rough sea. I swallowed so much sea water I didn’t even want a drink when I got out. That and being thrown around by the waves.

This was also my first triathlon above Olympic distance and never ran a marathon before, so it was all pretty much a new experience to build off and learn from, so I’m not quite sure what normal should be just yet.

Like you said, just glad to have prepared well and trained in those conditions prior. Just so many variables at play that day to be able to pin down an issue on any single thing.

Outstanding race report, thank you for sharing.

Normal is Type 2 fun. It’s fun after it’s stopped happening to you.

Well done. :facepunch:

Ironman 70.3 Tri-Cities Race Report

Great job, Guillermo. I watched for you on the course, but I think you were well ahead of me the whole time!

70.3 Tri-Cities was a really fun course, and I would recommend it to anyone looking to do a 70.3. It was definitely an easier course than the 2021 St. George course.

Swim - 24:08 - The water temperature (66.6 F) was perfect with my sleeveless wetsuit. I had people who we not sighting well cut in front of me about three times and had to slow down and go around them and then it got pretty bunched up at the exit and I felt like the last 300 meters were pretty slow, but the current really helped. It was great to be able to mostly swim in a straight line down river. I was shocked when I got out of the water and saw the time on my watch!

Bike: - 03:10:35 - I don’t know if I would call this bike course “Rolling Hills,” but it was definitely easier than the St. George bike course. There were 2 or 3 fairly challenging hills and I kind of felt like we had a headwind at multiple points. I was expecting to be a little faster than 3:10, but felt like I paced myself pretty well and fueled pretty well. I should have started with one more bottle of my Tailwind/Precision Hydration mix because the Mortal Hydration on the course was absolutely terrible. I think the flavor on the bike course was supposed to taste like lemon/lime, maybe?

Run: - 2:16:03 - And then the wheels fell off… I started out strong on the run, but dropped all my salt capsules without noticing very early on. I took water and Mortal Hydration at every aid table, but my fingers swelled up and my legs and feet started to feel pretty bad by about mile 6. The last 7 miles were slow and painful, but I was pretty happy with my total time of 6:01:18. I never actually looked at my total time after the swim or I probably would have found the willpower to break 6 hours.

It would be fun to come and do this course again in better shape and with being smarter about my run fueling and pacing.

Congrats on pushing through and finishing! I should have checked if anyone here was doing this race, or I would have reached out. I agree it’s a great race, I’d rank it up there with St. George and Coeur d’Alene. I’m almost certainly doing it again next year.

Alright here’s mine: