And I very much don’t have the answer to this, but:
It then begs the question, is the hour of VO2 more valuable than another hour of tempo/SS/whatever? It’s like the classic strength training discussion: Is it better to be stronger? Well, yes. But if you’re taking time out from the bike to add that strength, what’s the equation look like there?
Just musing more than directly asking. It’s fun to kick around. I feel like for me, I’m perpetually at the point where: get my ass on a bike is the way to grab gains.
I just got done with Iron War (I know I know, shame on me for finally getting around to it) and this was basically the training philosophy of Dave Scott. He didn’t give a rip about the latest “science” about training. He just knew that if he got on his bike, in the pool, on the road and put in the work, he would get faster. Compared to Mark Allen who looked for every marginal gain he could find. Given that we’re all on this forum in the first place, I’d gather most of us tend towards the Mark Allen side (First time many of us get to compare ourselves to him…cool)
Anyways we’re all an experiment of 1 at the end of the day. VO2 Max workouts might be exactly what I need, or it might not. But if the choice is between seeing VO2 Max on the calendar and “finding” that my legs are sore and need a day off, to having SS or Endurance on the calendar and knocking those out, I know which one will make us all faster. I’m personally highly likely to skip my VO2 workouts yet I think they also benefit me. So I started doing Zwift races instead, and now that the weather is better I’m doing my local Tuesday night crit series. I can’t bring myself to do those workouts, but put me in a race with somebody and I’ll go all out.
At the end of the day if you can find a way to hit all your energy systems at some level AND be consistent, that’s probably as close as you can get to a magic formula.
Well my plan didn’t remove Wright peak, in fact I don’t think my plan changed at all. But I was curious and just looked at the “Full Distance IM HV Plan.” This could also in fact be different from mine becuase I used plan builder rather than simply selecting the plan.
But I am also travelling Thursday before race day, probably will just do an easy ride or run after my flight. No way I’m doing wright Peak
Sadly M Dot is good for the sport of triathlon, but not so good for athletes. This year im doing 2 70.3 and one XTri. Might be several years before i go back to ironman brand as there are so many other race orgs i want to check out first
Yeah, now reading @Gnome 's last rr, that was put on by a race director I’ll be supporting, so there are some 70.3 events with quality competition going on. Otherwise, going to keep my focus on xterra since that is the vibe im going for.
Haven’t been around the forum for a while but training is going well. Currently taking a week or two off to deal with a chest infection, but until now I’ve been going great. I redesigned my bike training, saying goodbye to the TR mantra of “FTP-is-everything” and am now focusing on what really counts on raceday - sustained power in my aero position. I am training at a much lower FTP setting but see bigger gains in Tempo and Endurance power.
I am pessimistic whether I can race St George in September, it seems increasingly unlikely that I’ll be fully vaccinated by then. I’ve booked flights, car and condo at a flexible rate and might have to cancel at some point. I currently consider booking a slot for 70.3 Istria as a backup in case I won’t be able to travel to the US.
Meanwhile, I happened to have a stale browser tab open with the old plan. Have taken screenshots, so I feel a bit better having a “manual backup.” Should have done that in the first place.
I think at this point Trainerroad should hire a triathlon coach alot of us need a better and quality workouts everything around trainerroad is all about cycling not triathlon
The workouts are not horrible… I actually dont mind and seem to balance well with hard bike sessions…
But they need to add the running into the ML algorithm, otherwise the bike wo might result on miserable runs.
I’m going through my first TR plan (Half Distance LV; in Specialty now) and I really struggled with the first 3 VO2 max workouts of build. They made me second guess my FTP gains from the base phase even though my SS/threshold workouts felt good.
Now with the workout levels added into TR, I went back and checked: Build started with a Ramp test and then jumped into a VO2 Max workout level progression of 7.3-9.4-8.7 over the next 3 week block. I did what I could but all 3 of these were failures (lowered intensity, quit early etc.); that said, I still made more gains after build so the block was a success.
The updated HDLV Build VO2 Max progression goes 3.5-4.0-4.3 which looks MUCH more manageable. I’m looking forward to going through this plan again and see how it compares.
From my old plan to the new plan via adaptive training, i might as well forget it.
No chance in hell at my age of the following happening over 2 days at the weekend.
Saturday
4 hr ride
50min run
Sunday
4hr ride
2:40 run
1 hr swim
I am not a pro, I have a family and a working life, the same has happened throughout the week. Does adaptive training actually take into account a working life ? I have to say i am pretty disappointed with this roll out as a Triathlete. Or have i missed something ?
(First time many of us get to compare ourselves to him…cool)
