Worth nothing that the #3 support on its own is higher than the highest support in most of the shelf insoles like the a Specialized ones.
Paging @HumpDiesel to see what you found in comparison to the sketches and dimensions I shared above?
I refined my sketch a bunch so I can make changes and post results quickly.
@mcneese.chad I havenât had a chance to look into the sag numbers for mine yet. Out of town working and just got back in the bike after a week of sinus infection.
Hump
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Bummer on the infection. Rest and recover.
Iâm happy to hit this again whenever you have time.
Does anybody have experience with Wobble-Naught? I was surprised to stumble upon a bike fitter using a system I had never heard of. Iâm wondering why itâs not more widely adopted.
From experience, I know the fitterâs expertise is the most important. Iâve had a bad fit from a retul fitter. Good fits from people who just measured things and eyeballed things. And good fits on guru. Common thread for the good fits was not the technology.
Bit of musing, spit-ballin reagrding cleat position.
Prior to about May last year, I had my bike setup and was comfortable on it for approx 5 yearsâŚsuddenly something changed. My right thigh was rubbing the saddle nose and something felt âoffâ. I had a minor bump on the bike which appeared to cause the saddle rails to bend, additionally to that in between 2018 and May 2022 I had a big off on my MTB which I landed on my hip which is still causing me minor issues to this day and I broke a collarbone which was left to set naturally but is a good inch shorter than it was which is causing imbalances there too.
Anyway, since May I have been âchasingâ comfortable cleat position which has resulted in not being able to get my feet position âperfectâ at all. It feels that no matter what I do, I cannot get them to feel ârightâ, its not uncomfortable per se, its not causing any pain at all and I can still pedal for 90 mins on the trainer just fine, it just doesnt feel⌠right.
My latest round of spit ballin has got me to this: Could my feet be so wonky that I actually need to have the lateral position of the cleats at opposite extremes?
Example: rudimentary drawing of my feet, but lets assume its mm perfect 
So! If my heels are equidistant from the centreline, my cleat area are significantly different. Would that infer that I could need to use the extremes of the available lateral movement in cleat position to centre myself on the bike and then adjust rotation around that point? Or am I missing something entirely.
In the same vein, due to my collarbone and upperbody imbalances, is it possible that someone might consider uneven placement of hoods to counter it and feel more comfortable, or is it better to use even positioning and force the body to adapt?
FinallyâŚShut up and get a proper bike fit? 
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- Probably worthwhile, but you can keep taking swings too as long as you donât feel like you are into âinjuryâ territory.
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YES! Symmetry is nice and as a person with some level of OCD, is something I tend to start with personally and in fitting UNLESS there are indicators that some differential is necessary and useful.
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I happen to have a decent amount of âtoe outâ for my clipless setups, with my left foot needing the max amount possible with most road cleat setups. Right is similar but about half the angle.
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Asymmetric setups make sense for those that need them, and you may well be there for that setup need.
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Thanks Chad. Its driving me a bit bonkers constantly chasing something I seemingly canât find!
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Iâve had my fit looked over by a bike fitter.
I ended up leaving with 2 in the foot varus wedges on both feet, and one cleat wedge under one foot.
Is this a red flag? I read a lot about forefoot varus wedging being over-used.
I am injury prone in the knees, particularly kneecap pain on the inner edge.
in the shoe* varus wedges.
There is no way to answer that with any confidence without seeing you and understanding why your fitter selected those items. Iâve seen and fitted people with notable alignment issues where wedges were necessary and beneficial.
Broadly speaking, Iâd use what your fitter selected (and you paid for) and evaluate as you continue to ride with the revised setup. Itâs irrelevant what others are doing (or excluding) with respect to wedges and shims if the solution you have works and actually solves a problem.
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@TooManyDogs
A long while back. It was another system that was out, around early 2000s.
I canât remember the guys name that came up with the system.
Hump
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Hereâs a question on shoes.
âCan the heel lift on some shoes be a deciding factor for some?â
Some shoes seem fairly flat, with a minimal heel lift, others seem to have a good bit of heel lift.
Reason this has come up for me:
This week, I grabbed my Specialized Recon 3.0s that I had for âtrail ridingâ and hopped on the bike Iâve been riding. I noticed an immediate difference in the way the shoes felt and also how I seemed/perceived, that I was pedaling much better than with my SWorks race Rekons.
Looking at them, the 3.0 has a more flat heel to toe than the SWorks.
Anyone else noticed this?
@mcneese.chad ??
Hump
Heres the sag from the owners manual. Iâve set mine up per the online calculator.
Also, I did the static set back to sagged setback measurement again last night.
Static 4.1 behind bb centerline.
Sagged 6.1 behind bb centerline
Thatâs with me sitting in the bike taking the measurements with a projected vertical red line laser.
OK, I have the 27.5% sag set for the rear suspension.
But unless I am missing it, there is no info on the fork sag on that chart. I need to have that for your setup to give you any useful data. Absent that exact info, here are a few stabs in the dark to give some info:
0.1% Front Sag (sketch fails at 0%), 27.5% Rear Sag:
5% Front Sag, 27.5% Rear Sag:
10% Front Sag, 27.5% Rear Sag:
15% Front Sag, 27.5% Rear Sag:
20% Front Sag, 27.5% Rear Sag:
Per the above, a rather undesired 0.1% front sag, I am getting 17.4mm saddle shift & 1.4* saddle tilt. This is while holding the fore-aft position of the BB stationary, so it is the true essences of changes relative to the BB.
The 20mm you are getting may be purely from the sag, but could be from a lateral shift as well depending on how you are restraining the bike during the seated measurement. I do admit that my model contains some estimates of the pivot location, but this should be quite close in a pure kinematic motion result.
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So the BB is only dropping straight down based off your modeling.
So what I am physically seeing is a small change in location of saddle at sagâŚ
Hump
- Yup. I have to restrain at some point of the model. Could be front or rear wheel too, but I think the BB makes the most sense, especially in this context.
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Sure, that is what is seen in my modeling above, with the rearward shift of the saddle, even with the BB shift restriction.
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What if any restriction are you doing in your testing? Holding the front or rear wheel, or making certain the BB is not moving forward or backward?
Not holding either front or rear, but making sure the the measurement comes from the centerline of BB with the same perpendicular laser line.
Iâll check actual fork sag soon and get that to you.
Hump
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Thoughts/Opinions? Iâm wondering if my saddle is too far back and/or slightly too high. Or was the effort just too much too soon.
I had excessive sore painful double hamstring pain, particularly close to the buttocks. Happened after about 60min of a cold race and by 90mins they were cooked. Hurt to walk afterwards and getting up/down from sitting was near impossible for 48 hours afterwards.
Context: It was 28 degrees, raining and all I had was a light 5 min warmup. Race went out super hard and I hadnât done efforts that hard for that long since Sept 2022. Also, was wearing my winter shoes which are different than I used in the trainer all winter however, I have used the winter shoes outside for a few hard rides outside over the past few months.
Sounds like a Too Much, Too Soon along with temp and equip as the kickers over the top to me. Worth paying attention as you continue forward to make sure a more typical setup and use case doesnât have similar problems. But I think this is a one-off.
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