With all the recent changes to the TR system, I’m trying to incorporate my endurance work into TR. I have previously relied to tools outside TR to manage my overall progression while using TR to prescribe my interval/intensity sessions every week.
I have Saturday planned in TR as a 5 hour endurance group ride. Last week was outside, this week was on zwift. The zwift ride today was mostly steady state tempo, but these saturday rides are typically outside and a mix of endurance (to/from ride) with a bunch of surgy junk miles during the group ride. I’m not sure it’s even fair calling them endurance rides, the primary objective is to get a long ride in, have some fun with friends, and push a bunch of Kj’s through the legs. They usually end up with 275-325 tss, so a good bit of work, but I’m not pushing any limits and I’m not wiped out afterwards (at least not until temps get into the 90’s). I’m inclined to rate them as “hard” based on the amount of work performed, but then I get the following pop up -
I think I’ve seen that survey before, but only when I rate an interval workout as “maximum effort”. The survey seems to want to know why I struggled, but there usually isn’t any struggle. I’ve only seen this behavior on endurance workouts, so maybe it considers a “hard” endurance workout a failure? And I’m not sure what the system does with info on endurance workouts. I’ve flagged them as “moderate” for now, but that doesn’t feel right since it’s a lot of work and does create decent fatigue (sunday is always an easy/rest day). The survey response chart makes perfect sense to me for interval workouts, but I’m struggling for the guidance on endurance or unstructured stuff. Anyone have thoughts on survey response on these long non-interval workouts?
I’m gonna guess here because this new AI is a big learning experience for my old brain. Today I had an endurance workout. Before the workout I clicked on it to see what it was. There was a bar graph with AI predicted difficulty.
It’s possible if you rated the workout harder than any of the expected responses you got the “why”.
This is just a guess because I have not rated a workout outside of what was expected. That will prob come Tuesday with a Vo2 max scheduled
It doesn’t ask why you struggled, it asks why you found the workout challenging. I think that’s just a nice way of saying, “why did you rate this workout ‘hard’?” The answer is intensity or fatigue, right? 300 TSS is never “easy”.
Maybe, but that’s just not how I see that list of “reasons”. I read all those reasons as being problem-oriented, like giving a reason I couldn’t bridge a gap late in a race (or struggled to complete the last interval in a set). There was no particular problem/challenge with these rides. I guess a big part of this is that I’ve only seen that extra level of questioning when I’ve struggled to complete workouts (ie - “all out”). I answer “hard” and “very hard” on interval workouts all the time and never see this follow up question. These saturday rides are just fun group rides, I didn’t have to “push through” anything and there wasn’t anything particularly challenging about them. Maybe “moderate” is the right category. Maybe I’ll ping support and see if they can explain how the system would interpret different answers (I didn’t see anything obvious change based on my response). I’m sure they are swamped with the transition right now, so I’ll probably give them some time.
I have a similar problem with a 1:15 workout that I stopped after 1:12, i.e. just skipping cooldown. This is now being treated as a failure. It certainly didn’t use to behave this way.
If you have a Group Ride scheduled on an easy or endurance day and you rated the effort as hard, we just want to know why a ride of that type was difficult, as we likely expected it to be easy.
Just rate it how it felt. We’ll look at any data that you have in the ride file, so it’s not like we’re blindly hearing that an easy ride felt hard on that day.
I’d definitely recommend using our definitions of each RPE score to rate your activities, though. If the ride wasn’t challenging, don’t rate it as hard.
If those rides are actually hard, then I’d swap your schedule to put a hard workout in place of that Group Ride rather than an easy one.
This sounds like a potential bug, or something wrong with a specific workout’s structure (particularly ensuring the cooldown is classified as a cooldown).
Which workout did this happen with? How did you rate it?
BTW. I just noticed my run today has TSS automatically prefilled, and it’s the correct TSS, not the estimated one from the workout description. Is this a new feature?
There’s really not a good way to log workouts like that. In the future, if anything, I’d just record that as an outside ride if you don’t have a way to use power.
As for running TSS, I have no idea! I’ll look into that.
OK. I’m getting confused. In different thread, the conclusion was just do my unstructured outdoor ride and do nothing in my TR calendar. Don’t delete or change the workout that was scheduled for that day and don’t associate the ride with it. AI would adapt accordingly base on the training effect of that outdoor ride. Is what’s going on here something different?
Yes. He is doing an indoor ride, but doing it without power. TR can handle outdoor rides without power, but seems like you shouldn’t try to do normal TR rides without power.
There is a difference between doing an unstructured ride that doesn’t associate with your planned workout and doing an unstructured ride that will auto-associate with your Group or Solo Ride.
Group/Solo rides have difficulty expectations (hard, endurance, easy, etc.), so it does make sense to ensure that you’ve scheduled the right type of ride for the effort you plan to do.
