I did a 20 minute all out effort, then followed immediately by 40 more minutes at a hard effort (set PRs for both 20, and 60 minute power), then followed by 25 more minutes at tempo.
https://www.trainerroad.com/career/cleanneon98/rides/62646115-njmp-motorless-night
Stress score was 90
I did the same. Such a poor update to functionality was the final straw for me and reminded me that I’ve been wasting money for years hoping for better. I have more faith in TR to make this sort of development so my money is best here…for now…
Heart Rate is gone from the Fitness/Freshness chart, replaced by Relative Effort (which I guess is based on HR). My Fitness score went down by almost 10 points. 
I also noticed after last night’s TR workout uploaded to Strava that when editing the workout I had the option of selecting a RE number from 1 to 10 or just have it determined for me based on HR.
I wish they would stop tweaking these things. I do use the Fitness/Freshness (somewhat loosely) and when the numbers dramatically change because of an implementation change on their side it kind of throws me off.
I’m not sure. I’ve never really used it that much. But, I just tried updating my FTP and it didn’t go back and change any of my previous data…
I really don’t think its even using your FTP and Max HR settings from your profile. Its just comparing the workload of your current workouts to your previous 12 weeks. They’re basically doing the same thing as your TrainerRoad 6 week TSS Average, except they’re doing it with HR and Power, and without any requirement for the user to test themselves.
In my opinion its a pretty decent tool for a recreational athlete to track and plan their fitness workload. Its super easy to use and interpret.
No idea what’s going on. Mine doesn’t change despite changing FTP or Max HR settings.
Mine tracks pretty closely to Training Peaks and FWIW the FTP estimate is spot on with mFTP in WKO5.
I don’t look at the metrics in Strava, but for the price and ease of use, I find it difficult to understand all the negativity directed at their product. It’s a pretty good deal for 99% of users.
I can’t help but think that the data obsessed folks will never be satisfied.
Here’s my graphs from Strava and Elevate, they both are actually pretty similar tbh.
The thing is, I’m not really sure that there’s much to be learned from these graphs? Yes, I do notice that if my form goes to -20 I probably feel terrible. However, when I look at where I was last year compared to where I’m at right now it shows that I’ve declined. The thing is, last year at this time my FTP was 262 and now it’s 274. I’m also feeling stronger at basically every point along my power graph and this is easily seen on my TrainerRoad personal record page.
My FTP has been between 315-350 since January. I don’t see how your 150-270w change is relevant to that many users, particularly those who are going to be going through historical CTL data to precisely predict peak performance.
This is an add-on to a $2.99/mo app feature. It’s fine for someone new to training and good enough for most, in my opinion.
I think you kind of hit the nail on the head for the vast majority of users.
The current scores at a glance can give you a bit of an idea on when to back off (-20 freshness) but the chart isn’t going to change the way you train dramatically.
Unless you’re planning multiple peaks, or at least one significant peak, training is just a consistency game. If you’re hovering in a range of fitness and seeing gains you’re doing just fine. Once you start pushing the limits of your training stress tolerance and breaking down, or you hit a plateau maybe some more data might be nice to have. Still I’m pretty confident you could set up a decent self coached plan with Strava only.
I’m sure part of it is just the ease of having everything in one place which is something “general” users probably enjoy. Obviously, those who care more and utilize these kind of tools more are likely searching around for better and more accurate options but plenty of people will shell out a couple bills to Strava for it.
To each their own. I use TP for training, Strava as my catch all and it’s pretty dead simple and not too time consuming. Maybe as I progress/plateau I’ll sing a different tune, but not just yet.
For training TP is fine for me. Mostly just the app and occasionally plug in future TSS as guardrails on my weeks and I have a good feel for where my CTL can hang out for gains vs burnout. I’m on an unstructured structured training plan. Not really periodized.
I’d probably drop TP too, but planning on more racing next year so it’ll come in handy.
Sure Strava could do better, but who couldn’t?
