Exciting stuff!
2 questions:
Thanks!
After reading all this now I’m super interested to see if it would spot anything. None of the platforms I have predict that the wheels would come off.
Moriah (too intense), Sterling, Karakoram +2 were the 3 sessions in one week that killed my desire to train. the week before I had Anthony, Acrodectes -1 and Pavillon (which I bailed and marked too intense) I also dropped the glassy -2 the day after Pavillon.
I still can’t look at Karakoram +2 without wanting to retch. Even though honestly I’d probably be fine now. I have blue bar graph ptsd.
I still maintain that the “ftp” was simply a gross generalization that didn’t apply properly to my vo2/threshold efforts. Of course I have no scientific proof of that.
But I also know that week by week I felt weaker, and my ftp was also flat to down. Which now that I’m reading that, basically that might be the issue, the hard rides start to suppress my ability to operate at threshold, and now my ftp (which started off by a couple %) is going down making the rides even harder.
I don’t think any model is going to catch that.
Their lack of red days is very interesting!
And in stark contrast to me, I imagine 
, when riding Ventoux/Alps for 2 weeks (late last summer), doing ~25 hrs/week vs. my regular volume of ~10 hrs. Being on a preset itinerary I realised the lack of recovery would be a big problem, and tried to schedule some days as “easier” ones, which helped a bit I’m sure, but it’s tricky when your so-called easy day involves 2000m ascent up the Glandon / Croix de Fer 
for example. I reckon I must have had a whole bunch of back-to-back red days on my trip - legs certainly felt like it, although didn’t get sick - so it’ll be interesting to review intense trips (or eg. training camps) through RLGL eyes to see how big a hole was being dug!
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I assume it’s by trying to carefully calibrate increases in volume & intensity to our body’s ability to absorb the incremental work, so we make measured steps forward with fewer steps back. Good plans clearly aid with this, and TR’s own plans (+AT) have become much improved in this regard I think. Plus, we can help manage this calibration off feel, by listening to our bodies, although that’s not always so easy: we may not be so experienced, or even if we are experienced we may be distracted from what’s sensible by what looks exciting or fun (the end goal of all this stuff is “fun” after all, so I’ve heard!
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Any tool providing insight, in advance, that we may be trying to bite off too much too soon, or offering a heads-up that there’s a “cost” to doing that extra fun ride, has the potential to be a really useful addition. Looking forward to the release of this to see if/how I can make use of it.
You said the same thing I said
The teeter meter, TTR meter, identifies when you are teetering on the edge
OK, but that is how you go about it. It remains to be seen how useful RLGS proves in helping us walk that line between stagnation (being too conservative) and overreaching (biting off too much). As with other aspects of TR, I’d expect to take TR’s RLGL suggestions under advisement, not necessarily just follow them; but in general I’m a big fan of tools that provide guardrails to help make better informed decisions.
I think RLGL would help you realize that you need more recovery before you jump back into the harder intervals. It might switch an intense day to an aerobic or rest day.
I’ve only been back on TR for a couple of months this winter on Low Volume plus outdoor rides and intend to carry on this summer. Historically I’ve ridden outdoor unstructured rides trying to surf the edge of fatigue all summer. Sometimes I’ve got it wrong but more often the weather is just too good to miss out on a decent outdoors ride or event even though I know it’ll mean some time off the bike after.
I’m interested to see if I’ve consistently got it wrong and am in the Red too often for too long or if I’ve the red/yellow days line up with what I think they will be.
'22 was a higher intensity peak for a shorter period (8-900 TSS 6 week average for 4 months) whilst in '23 I managed to keep a lid on the more intense weeks managed to stay motivated and fit over a much longer season. (650-700 6 week average for 8 months and a shorter recovery before winter training)
I can’t wait to see how this lines up with my journal for fatigue periods over the last few years. I’m also interested to see if, now I’ve added indoor structure, it can now help me find a balance between the two a little better and also help manage the return from a recovery week so I don’t immediately go back into deficit.
I’m of the same mind. Periodic flirtation with going into the red is likely a good thing when the following days are managed correctly. The intentional super-overload (think 3-5 day training camp) can be a very good thing, when done correctly.
Now, persistent and repeated operation in that “red” environment is the issue. This is the training plan vs history mismatch. I’d love to see some example of this. The I’m new to training and though SSB HV would be a great place to start.
It’ll be nice to see this fully integrated into AT where it’ll change a ride from a VO2/Threshold/SS workout down to a Lazy Mountain coffee ride. Also built into Plan Builder where it can be forward looking and it takes the place of the survey questions on volume and experience.
This is exactly what I’ve been wanting!
I‘ve submitted, very curious about what Red light/ Green light thinks about my riding. I can hit some pretty high training volumes/load days for a good long while, until I can‘t 
I‘m also awful, terrible, not good at following plans. Read substituting workouts, hero intervals, Zwift races, Z2 affaires,…
I have a strong pattern of flying in February, and dizzling out in June. I‘d also reasly like to know if that‘s caused by too little rest in spring, or the seasonality of work that dramatically increases life stress in summer. Perhaps red light - green light offers clues there…
Just catchimg up on this thread, but have been listening to what it’s about on podcasts over a long while.
To me a feature name needs to tell me what it’s about. So, for me something like
Workout Readiness
is clear and descriptive. No PhD in TrainerRoad or other workout platforms is needed. The ‘score’ or value could simply be a RAG traffic 
light icon with the score being highlighted/lit. An icon also take up little UI space. Hover over/touch/click for more details.
Love your work TR!
Cheers Jason
By gradually increasing TSS/volume week over week and scheduling appropriate recovery weeks.
One could increase their volume to handle 1000 TSS weeks and 600 TSS recovery weeks over a few months and NEVER have a red day! Trust me, it’s possible 
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It has to be something like this.
Clear, concise. Indicative of what it actually does and means.
Redlight Greenlight isn’t indicative of even how you’re visually presenting it, let alone giving any hint of what it does.
We, as forum participants and podcast listeners, are conditioned by prior exposure. It needs to resonate with first-time users.
What would one’s starting TSS be though … hypothetically?
I’d imagine one could move from 500-600 TSS weeks to 900-1000 TSS weeks.
There’s absolutely no way to know this is true when RLGL hasn’t even been released yet.
In my mind, these quotes beg the question of what we, as users, should do with the information and what TR/Adaptive Training will do with the information. Should these be absolute or relative?
As Tour participants start stacking yellow days, they aren’t doing Pettit-1 the next day, they are continuing to load 200-300TSS per day. But this is just about sustainable for them. They are, probably, picking and choosing days to go harder and days of relative rest. But the variation day to day is smaller than a TR low volume athlete going 100TSS to nil to 100TSS.
The prescription to Low volume athletes is fairly easy; rest or recovery ride.
How about HV athletes?
How about Mid or high volume triathletes?
Can you expand on the TR vision for how this will be implemented by TR in the context of Adaptive Training for TR plans? Will this just be information for us to take a nuanced view and learn how to customise to ourselves? Or will it come with guidance with bumpers? Or automatically adapt our plans?
I’m hoping it’s going to be a very useful tool. But the vision and next steps are unclear to me.
Wow, such confidence without facts. What if TR already reviewed your entire training history with you through RLGL?
That’s awesome. And you never had a single red day? 