I‘ve submitted, very curious about what Red light/ Green light thinks about my riding. I can hit some pretty high training volumes/load days for a good long while, until I can‘t
I‘m also awful, terrible, not good at following plans. Read substituting workouts, hero intervals, Zwift races, Z2 affaires,…
I have a strong pattern of flying in February, and dizzling out in June. I‘d also reasly like to know if that‘s caused by too little rest in spring, or the seasonality of work that dramatically increases life stress in summer. Perhaps red light - green light offers clues there…
Just catchimg up on this thread, but have been listening to what it’s about on podcasts over a long while.
To me a feature name needs to tell me what it’s about. So, for me something like
Workout Readiness
is clear and descriptive. No PhD in TrainerRoad or other workout platforms is needed. The ‘score’ or value could simply be a RAG traffic light icon with the score being highlighted/lit. An icon also take up little UI space. Hover over/touch/click for more details.
By gradually increasing TSS/volume week over week and scheduling appropriate recovery weeks.
One could increase their volume to handle 1000 TSS weeks and 600 TSS recovery weeks over a few months and NEVER have a red day! Trust me, it’s possible .
Clear, concise. Indicative of what it actually does and means.
Redlight Greenlight isn’t indicative of even how you’re visually presenting it, let alone giving any hint of what it does.
We, as forum participants and podcast listeners, are conditioned by prior exposure. It needs to resonate with first-time users.
In my mind, these quotes beg the question of what we, as users, should do with the information and what TR/Adaptive Training will do with the information. Should these be absolute or relative?
As Tour participants start stacking yellow days, they aren’t doing Pettit-1 the next day, they are continuing to load 200-300TSS per day. But this is just about sustainable for them. They are, probably, picking and choosing days to go harder and days of relative rest. But the variation day to day is smaller than a TR low volume athlete going 100TSS to nil to 100TSS.
The prescription to Low volume athletes is fairly easy; rest or recovery ride.
How about HV athletes?
How about Mid or high volume triathletes?
Can you expand on the TR vision for how this will be implemented by TR in the context of Adaptive Training for TR plans? Will this just be information for us to take a nuanced view and learn how to customise to ourselves? Or will it come with guidance with bumpers? Or automatically adapt our plans?
I’m hoping it’s going to be a very useful tool. But the vision and next steps are unclear to me.
That’s not what I said. I didn’t have any red days when I massively increased my TSS. Apparently I did it the right way. There were red days before PLs and AIFTP. So kudos to TR for the revision of their training plans. It was a big improvement.
Sorry, not trying to argue, but still trying to find clarity on how the traffic lights work. What you said was
So, I was asking if you did that with zero red days. If you went from 600 to 1000 in a few months without a single red day, then I don’t really understand how. Maybe it will be clearer when we get better guidance on how to use it or what makes things go red.
I ask because I’m confused by Nate’s earlier posts (which was the comment I made that you originally replied to) that show people pushing through the red. I was asking Nate how you push your tss up without ever pushing through a red day. I’m confused by the messaging that red means you should stop, for example
But then later showing people who did workouts on red days and then went to yellow the following day, which means it wasn’t really that serious.
Just seeking clarification on how to use the traffic lights. It’s a great idea, but I think it needs a lot of clarification.
Hypothetical example as obviously RLGL is a bit secret sauce. But we know it works off workout levels 2. Right now my Endurance PL is 5.0 (and that is somewhat artificially capped as I don’t do really long indoor rides and I don’t bother linking my long outdoor rides to TR workouts, so it would likely be higher as I regularly do 4-5 hour outdoor rides). That means Sutton (2.5 hours middle of Z2, 106 TSS) is an “Achievable” ride for me. Or Suizo which is more low end of Z2, 4 hours, 146 TSS. So I can see how it would be possible for me to add a bunch more TSS with Achievable rides, and my assumption is that if RLGL works on workout levels then Achievable rides aren’t going to lead to red days.
You can have a “red” day and still ride (obviously), although TR is saying it’s not advisable. But let’s say you do a 350 TSS outdoor ride on Saturday. This pushes you into the red for a Sunday ride. However, you still ride on Sunday, but only do like 65 TSS. That low TSS Saturday ride still bled off enough fatigue to show yellow for Monday. So you rode on a red day, but took it easy. Are you flying closer to the sun than TR advises? Yes, but that doesn’t necessarily mean you are going to burn up as a result.
Ramp rate - how fast are you increasing your CTL week over week
TSS / hr - a proxy for overall workout intensity mix across a week
Training History - how long have you been training, consistency, hours / week
The first two are going to be rider dependent - you need to figure out what ramp rate of CTL week / week you can handle without going into the “red”. TSS / hr will tell you how many hours you need to be able to train to get to your “wanted” TSS / week. Then do you have that many hours to train?
100%. I did my progressive overload using ATL/CTL/TSB and ramp rate. Monitor and understand all of this and it can be done as long as life doesn’t get in the way. I believe RLGL will just be the easy button regarding training. Really just keeping people from self sabotage.
light icon with the score being highlighted/lit. An icon also take up little UI space. Hover over/touch/click for more details.
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