Read Labels! (SIS in particular)

Right. I mean that at a high level, the job of the drink is, fundamentally, to deliver sugar. Maltodextrin isn’t sweet, but delivers glucose. That’s why they use the artificial sweetener. They do use fructose, which is sweet.

Maltodextrin/fructose does taste a little weird. SiS even makes such a product – Beta Fuel. (It would be beyond the pale to add artificial sweetener to Beta Fuel.) Artificial sweetener also tastes a little weird, though. I can’t say that I think the result, when they add aspartame, is all that much better.

Well. then don’t use it, Buy something else. Completely pointless discussion.

ah. makes sense.

So if you were to add some dextrose to honey?

I malaproped there, that is what I meant. sorry.

Interesting idea.

Whoever made that pie chart is a bad person. Not only is it hexagonal (I get it, beehives), but the ~40% fructose takes up about half the pie, while the ~30% glucose takes up about a sixth of the pie, the same as the ~17% water.

It is not great is it? Its from some honey producers site…teh concentrations of sugars seem to vary a bit from site to site.

Some intern I am sure who clearly doesn’t understand basic data visualizations.

Oh, indeed. I was thinking of Maurten, which is maltodextrin and fructose without other sweeteners.

This is why I don’t pay much attention to ingredients and just use stuff with a decent reputation #YOLO

Would just like to slip in here to say I, for one, appreciate the OP calling out that SIS GO has Aspartame in it. :+1: I have a bottle of it at home and have never liked it much (mostly for taste reasons).

Props to Osmo for apparently staying more natural than other brands. :man_shrugging:

No synthetic sweeteners so yeah, I guess “more natural”. But to your point, if everything else is synthesized then why does it matter?

Dunno dude, what do you use?

Why is that odd? You’d rather just eat whatever and not try to evaluate what’s good/bad or better/worse? I’m sure you evaluate things all day every day but it sounds like you choose not to care for supplements.

Best comment in this train-wreck of a thread :joy:

Not sure it is arguing in good faith to compare a b12 precursor to a synthesized sweetener that doesn’t occur in the natural world?

I think we can all agree in that using processed sugars and additives like electrolytes, we are dancing with a certain devil we know already.

Anyway, @redlude97 since it’s your actual job to do research on sugar and insulin (cool!), what do you use for fueling on rides?

Lol hereeee we go again.

My statement was simply giving props to Osmo for creating a popular and effective product that accomplishes the same thing as other manufacturers without using the artificial sweetener Aspartame. I chose the verbiage “more natural” but also included “:man_shrugging:” to suggest that should be taken with a grain of salt.

You are right in that both products are full of unnatural ingredients, but if you really care to know, I have noticed I get headaches when I consume products with aspartame in them so I prefer to avoid aspartame. It’s not scientific, but it is enough for me to draw a line and say one is less artificial or “bad” than the other.

@professore I don’t think anyone in this thread is defending additives. They are defending themselves from what they perceive as fear-mongering (in this case, unintentional). You seem to have a very low threshold for deciding when a particular food is unsafe. Without judging whether your threshold is optimal, we can probably safely assume that for most people (as evidenced by the responses in this thread), adopting your threshold would mean substantial amounts of deleterious stress (i.e. not the good kind) that outweigh the potential benefits. Hence the negative reactions to your position. Basically, compared to all the other things we risk on a daily basis, aspartame is not even a blip on the radar.

Is honey vegan?

No. I mention that waaaaaay​:arrow_up::arrow_up: Up there someplace. The vegan comment (which I did not explain well), was about spending about five years exhaustively reading up on food, food sources, nutritional science etc.

But I suppose I’m not vegan because I occasionally use honey on things.

Y’all forgetting the real killer out there… Dihydrogen monoxide.

Too much of that in you, and that’s it folks…

And I bet y’all got it in your bottles too!

This is a bloody good question

What’s the difference between consuming honey produced by bees vs milk produced by cows? :thinking:

Insects have feelings too :ant::honeybee::mosquito::cricket:

I’ve been using hammer for a while now and am happy with their stuff other than the price. It is expensive. But I don’t have the guilt of putting the other junk cheap stuff into my body. Maybe its psychological, but I feel better when using higher quality products. I especially love Recoverite. I do like SiS gels for certain events as they are simply easier to swallow in the more diluted watery form than a traditional gel. Its hard to swallow thick sticky glue like substance when working at VO2max+ zones. The SiS goes down much easier. But I do think hammer gel is better for the gut.