I’m under the impression that Jonathan, Nate and Chad are fans of Matt Fitzgerald so I’m especially curious about this. In his 80/20 triathlon book Matt takes the stance that an 80/20 easy to moderate/hard distribution gives you the biggest training effect even when only training 45 minutes per day on average. This is more or less the volume of a Olympic triathlon base low volume on Trainerroad and the distribution of load is clearly more heavy on the non-easy side than that - the argument being that for the time-crunched triathlete/cyclist quality trumps quantity and base endurance is an (albeit desirable) add-on for those with more time. Chad and Matt both struck me as pretty well read sciencey guys but clearly there is a huge contradiction here. Is one of them cherry picking studies or to play devils advocate here maybe it doesn’t matter all that much how you train after all?

Volume levels aside I find them impossible to listen to in the first place.

I thought this was an interesting slide show on Long Slow Distance vs. HIIT [image] USA Cycling Coach Webinar long slow distance or high intensity Training intensity and volume distribution as well as individualization of training are described. I was always more of a sprinter so it kind of explains why I’ve been responding well to a polarized approach. I can do SST or Threshold workouts but they leave me fatigued as they accumulate.

thx for sharing, nice to see the slow twitch vs fast twitch response to training info in an organized presentation.

[image] bbarrera: nice to see the slow twitch vs fast twitch response to training info in an organized presentation. The differences are striking. As a fast twitcher, looks like biking is the wrong pastime for me :grin:

and why I see fast/easy gains with tempo and sweet spot :wink:

Fast twitch: “Tends to be beat up by and does not adapt well to threshold workouts” :rofl:. [image] SSB II is killing me Training Finished SSB part one. The workouts seemed reasonably turned to my ability. Took ramp test at start of phase 2 and got 6 watts higher. Seemed like a small enough but reasonable gain based on how I felt when I stopped. So I start phase 2 and I can’t get through a whole workout without turning the intensity down to 95% half way through. Some of that might be mental or maybe environment based (like maybe I need more cooling fan power idk) but I’m running my HR up to 185 regularly and my max is 190…

I did for 25 years playing rugby!

You just have to train the aerobic engine correctly (long slow distance) and then keep your top end tuned up and beat the competition to the line. It’s like Sagan vs Bernal - one can win the Tour and the other can win Paris-Roubaix or a flat stage of the Tour. You have to pick the event that matches your talents.

[image] AJS914: You just have to train the aerobic engine correctly (long slow distance) and then keep your top end tuned up and beat the competition to the line. Yeah - I’d be a good sprinter if it wasn’t for the ankle injury I got years ago playing rugby. I can’t put much torque any more through my ankle, so that’s not an option. Too bad, as I’d love to try some crits.

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Fast twitch: “Tends to be beat up by and does not adapt well to threshold workouts” .

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