Pro/Elite training

yes, power distribution chart

There is no guarantee that the Strava FTP is correct. There is no way to tell. In some cases it is possible to derive it from other sources like TTs. I don’t get the impression that many pros have their real(istic) FTPs entered. For MvdP it’s clearly far, far too low.

Interesting to note from my own strava stalking of MvDP, the “stuff” on the 20th Feb “DJ snapback setting the pace” looks like low cadence intervals for 3 mins IIRC, probably at FTP.

Yes it’s Zwift and it’s marketing, but for people familiar with Xert this might be interesting:

Look @sryke, Tadej Pogačar trains polarized!! :laughing:

Good talk with Tim Declercq.

I love how Pogacar’s “sweet spot” is “just over threshold” rather than under. That is some TdF winning sweet spot! :slight_smile:

I know. Sweet like unrequited love. Hurts but feels better later.

What’s with the long recovery in between those Z4 intervals? Day 3 recovery between 15min Z4 is 30 minutes. Then down to half of that the next day. Looks like that something he does during “base”?

The power zones are interesting, he has;
Zone 1; 56-75% of FTP
Zone 2; 76-90% of FTP
Zone 3; 91-105% of FTP
Zone 4; 106-120% of FTP
Zone 5; 121% and up

Unless FT Power means something different?

Likely this, but smart ppl need to chime in. Those percentages look like standard Coggan zones, which we know he wouldn’t use. So editorial mistake by the video producer? :man_shrugging:

Maybe he’s going down the other side of a climb and waiting for the next climb to start the next interval?

why you want to shorten the recoery time?

And another one:

Interesting data on elite torque targets.

From the Scientific Triathlon email newsletter I received yesterday.

Just got around to watch it, spring has arrived here. Basement time almost zero. Watching videos time almost zero.

Firstly, anyone noticed how heavy Pog breathes when he talks? Compared to the other guy. This is zero effort for him but he still breathes quite heavily. I’ve noticed this with other elites as well. For example with Gustav Iden or Sanders. Puts all this “easy conversational pace/breathing” talk into perspective.

His Z4 intervals are above threshold. And he probably is not too familiar with the term SweetSpot. SweetSpot came from the other guy. However, we don’t how he defines threshold. And a nice twist with all the NOrwegian talk lately, where you’re not allowed to do threshold intervals too intense.

Typical ISM training for build. Typical pro training, ride a lot with stuff.

I was hoping you would get the joke. :sweat_smile: :sweat_smile: :sweat_smile:

Yes! I remember this video of Sanders floating around and he’s breathing like a race horse during warmup.

Totally agree, or those zones for that matter.

Yep, was just nice to see because I did a quick search of this Pro/Elite thread from (I think) January 2020 where one of these 15min threshold session is posted. Sometimes pros say different things than what they actually do. Or use different terminology, etc. I thought: “not him, he is saying exactly what that ride file said”.

I don’t want to do anything with his recovery time :man_shrugging:

I was curious as to why there was so much time between his threshold intervals. Someone up thread mentioned maybe it was because he did his interval up a climb and the long RI was going back to do it again.

Seems odd that it even lists a RI at all if they were doing the RI based on terrain. Also odd that the RI are 30min exactly, then the next day it’s 15min exactly. Those seem too specific to be terrain influenced RI, but I’m just guessing.

There’s significant research on RI that’s been presented by the TR Podcast and I’m not sure they’ve ever said do have a RI as long as 30min, maybe for max sprinting intervals but certainly not for Threshold.

I get a sinking feeling that “Pro’s” actually train quite significantly different than what we’ve been told. Sure volume, yada yada yada and then 2 no more than 3 hard sessions a week 3 weeks on then 1 off and all that crap we mindlessly spout?

I’m no longer buying it.

The thing is volume is key needs to be shouted from the roof tops. Volume, volume, volume. And the best way to get rad results from massive volume? Have elite parental genetic gifts.

I see more “grey zone” training than you can shake a mediocre fist at. I’m not seeing clearly defined intervals and sets with focused rest intervals and such.

Nothing is really as it seems. Plus, I’m too dumb in wanting to get specific directions to do the best thing for my cycling fitness.

So…rest intervals? IDGAF anymore. I think I’ll just go ride outside as the weather gets better and find something else to do all winter than analysis paralysis with the constantly shifting “training to make you faster” flapdoodle we’re always digesting.

“Follow the science”, well not that science.

Hey, did you see some Texa-orwegian guy retroactively looked at ELITE athletes training they did a bunch of years ago? Oh yeah? He looked at cyclists? No, skiers and rowers but it’s totally the same see because slow twitch endurance, blah-blah-blah. All you have to do is “ride easy” and then crush your eye’s out with hard intervals and suddenly you’re a Norwegian skier walking up a hill contemplating your navel (with a 90 VO2 number, lol).

How “easy”? How “hard”? And back into the balderdash we go.

Ugh.

The video was put together by some marketing guys of his helmet sponsor. From the comment on SweetSpot it is apparent that they do not have the deepest knowledge of training. And this is reflected in the annotational text. They’ve just put something together to make it look good … w/o making necessarily sense. Hey, we all know our marketing guys :slight_smile:

Absolutely. FWIW when eating food during my endurance rides, I usually drop power a bit. Because easy conversational pace is a recovery ride.

They should’ve asked him how he likes the ramp test. Missed opportunity. Ok, now I’m just being snide. Time to stop.

Consistent volume.