Polarized Training vs. Sweet Spot (Dylan Johnson video)

Oh, I forgot – you’re always right.

Back in the box for you! :laughing:

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I’ll also add:

Have fun with the Gimp. :kissing_heart:

Yes, he said as much when he first drew the figure in Boston.

To paraphrase the Piano Man, that’s because I help write the songs.

Why are you bringing training for sports back into the discussion?? We were talking about your false claim that “the norm for general health and/or disease studies is either LIT or HIIT”.

Ahhh OK, we’ll please don’t tell Seiler that I’m not complying with his guidelines. It’ll be our little secret. :wink:

Exactly what I thought. Dylan said he uses YouTube as advertisement for his personal coaching business. TrainerRoad is a direct competitor to his business model. It serves him well to dismiss/discredit the most popular online training program (TR) on the market.

TR isn’t a direct competitor to Dylan. Dylan charges 400? a month, TR is now 20 a month? Also, Dylan doesn’t dismiss TR. He dismisses the overuse of tempo/sweet spot in a unstructured way, this is also not TR. It feels like you’re creating an issue between TR and Dylan. To me, it feels like you think polarization talk/research is some sort of attack on TR… when in reality TR really isn’t “all sweet spot”.

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Ha, yes, it’s all encompassing now :smile:

You’re right, it seems the prescription has ‘developed’ a little more wiggle room.

In terms of the hard days, I personally do not religiously stick to two days hard per week. On my training volume it’s too much for me. I usually tackle it more off perception of total fatigue. Which I realize is un measurable and somewhat arbitrary. Call it, one day hard per week, three days hard per two weeks.

That’s generally what, ‘seems’ to be working for me. Having neither the time or the willingness to back to back test each training protocol on myself, I’m sticking with this ‘adapted polarized’ (is that better than Hybrid? Maybe it’s just Bandit Polarized, strictly personal)

It’s certainly easier and more fun for how I enjoy riding. That has to be a factor to consider. The reason I’m sharing it is, someone shared the prescription with me and it made a big difference. Hopefully, others have similar improvements. Hopefully, not people I race. They should try the ‘pure couch protocol’, I’ve heard it’s very effective…

Oh, and what’s the data on the Olympic spending?

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I’m in Auckland, New Zealand. I won’t say how long we’ve been back to normal, it’ll just sound like bragging. I sure didn’t do it, I just happened to live in the right place for this pandemic.

I am very grateful, and hope we all collectively can get back to the sport we love.

We’ll be through this soon. It’ll be a wild story we tell our kids etc

I’m not creating anything, I’m just some random dude on a cycling forum. I don’t have a cycling product to sell or make YouTube videos discrediting the “#1 app for Getting Faster”. I’m simply making observations. When people comment “so TR plans are trash now” after watching Dylan’s video, I think it’s clear who is creating an issue. Dylan seems like a decent guy and I’ve met people that know him and say the same. I’ve even “raced” against him in a local MTB 100, well, he was in front and I was somewhere in the distant back. I’m just not willing to concede that the video was made without any idea that it would be a dig on TR.

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Historically, the USOC has funded almost no research. Richer NGBs occasionally will cough up a few thousand dollars per year.

As for the IOC, you’d need a 1000 researchers each getting one of their grants (which aren’t just in sports science) every year for next 50 years to get to that first billion.

I’m no specialist, just enjoy reading these threads to soak up information.

My gut feeling says that POL is easier to pair with strength training in the base period. I just finished two blocks of SS/tempo and the next two blocks will be POL (all these discussions lead me to try out POL because I’ve only followed SS in the past years). Looking at my schedule and the intensity distribution, it seems that the lower intensity will leave me fresher for my gym sessions (4x week, three lower/one upper split).

I’m not saying that SS doesn’t pair well with strength training because I’ve been doing this type of concurrent training for a few years and has worked very well.

Any thoughts on the Polarized approach being more compatible with strength training? I will know for myself at the end of these two blocks but was just curious if anyone ever thought about this factor.

I‘d say MV is perfectly fine, if you do Z2 rides on day 2 and 5 with increasing duration.

You could count the strength training as the intensity and do all your riding at low intensity. Of course, it depends on goals and at some point you’ll need to scale back lifting and work in intensity on the bike.

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Conformation that you’ve not thought this through and dont know what you are talking about.

Take your personal bias out of it.

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The problem with that approach is that now you are at the mercy of how others interpret (or misinterpret or overinterpret) the data.

Same here. That’s exactly why I want to try out the POL approach. Heavy SS and gym work focused on strength and power is fine (low rep), but hypertrophy and SS feels like too much fatigue accumulation. Thanks for the links, much appreciated.

I got thru 3 months of weight training with a lot of endurance riding and sprint intervals to keep top-end warm.

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Such a shame. Former rower here and would love to see a comparison of Eric and Hamish’s training before and after switching coaches from Dick Tonks (big volume, rel. high intensity from what I remember) to Noel Donaldson right around the start of their unbeaten streak from 2013-16. Also would be fun to look at how the training differed b/w Eric and Hamish. From what I remember, Eric tended to train at higher intensities in general.