Pauses in Workouts lead to overstated Personal Records

If TR can do an extend warm up and cool down feature, why can’t they add an “extend interval” feature that appears during the intervals (1, 2, 3 minutes?). You could turn off “auto-pause” and extend the interval while the clock keeps ticking.

My pedals and my trainer are the same, the power stops but the time continues when backpedaling, but good point on other possibilities.

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On my Neo, backpedalling causes a pause; on a different (virtual power) setup I had I seem to recall the interval continued, so this would fit with your comment. I’m pleased you wrote that as I was a bit surprised when my backpedalling this week paused the workout as I didn’t remember it doing that on my older setup…

Agreed. Stuff that looks simple to do from an end user perspective very often becomes very complex once all the edge- /use-cases are taken account of.

I fully understand TR has much greater priorities than this “issue”, so chalk this one down to a “nice have” if they can ever get around to delivering a solution one day :slight_smile:

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Just noticed this recently as I go back and look at some work outs from 2 years ago that are still PRs. Inevitably they includes pauses in hard workouts (like Mount Goode +) - I can see it in the HR dips and the comments. I am now doing similar workouts at same or higher power, without stopping, so I see it as improvement. I have considered excluding these old records from PRs, but haven’t gotten around to it. I am somewhat motivated by finally beating them legit. :slight_smile:

Looks like not pausing is the only real option right now.

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It’s not really a hassle to do this. Get your head unit record automatically forwarded to Strava. Get TR to automatically import rides from Strava. Then all you have to do manually is delete the TR record of your ride.

JulianMRegular: yes, I understand this. I was using the issue to suggest a solution to AldridgePrior’s problem.

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I have a turbo-only bike in a gym room in the house, while the Bolt’s on another bike stored someplace else…

Yours was a good suggestion, but for Mr Zero Hassle (me!) it’s far too much grief and I’d just never bother :laughing:

I think people would still like to keep the exercise or interval duration so it couldn’t be as simple as just letting the episode play. For instance, I personally have failed at the full duration of an interval when it comes towards the end. After a brief pause I’ve completed the interval at the power target. If the timer had continued it would have shortened the interval, time at target power and lowered stress. Same is with brief backspins for some people on some devices and unintentional breaks like some god botherers ringing the door bell (I have a church opposite so this happens annoyingly often).

This is main the reason we need something a little cleverer than just playing on. It is easy to see breaks when you review the file if there is HR data & I think they could just replicate this. If the interval is true HR acts normally with no sudden drops unless the sensor malfunctions.

As an extra benefit, if they could spot these changes, it would pick them out imported rides where the pause button is pressed. For example, ride 5 minutes hard and then pause for toilet break before resuming for next 15. That 20 minutes wouldn’t be a fair representation of ability, but currently it would be analysed as such.

You’ve misunderstood (I’ve not explained well enough…) what I was suggesting, which was to expand the time-/x-axis for the duration of the pause, thereby retaining the full duration of the work interval.

That’s just what happens in reality when you take a paused breather, so it’s not a radical suggestion! - the w/o just lasts a bit longer, with the extra time being accounted for by the easy spinning / nothing that you’re doing during the pause.

I was hoping this would be fixed with the new updated app, but just checked and it is not.
This really makes the longer durations on the power curve a lot less useful. I find it rather disappointing that a training application focused on data and analytics is still getting this wrong.

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I’ve turned off “pedal to start” option to avoid this issue. The latest beta has some improvements to the data in the FIT file, although I suspect the pauses are still not handled correctly - unlike a bike gps computer where you can see pauses on the ride data sync’d to Strava, TR, GC, TP, WKO4, etc.

That is what I do to account for pauses not captured by TR- Record with my headunit in addition to running the TR software. As much as TR is a proponent of training with specificity, you would think they would want to prioritize capturing exactly what happened during the workout, breaks and rest periods and all. I hope they develop some way to pause and continue recording, while still being able to continue the wko where I left off. A pause and hold at 0W feature. As it is now, it seems a bit clunky to have to run both my head unit and TR at the same time in case I need to be off the bike for recovery or life.

Workaround:
Finish ride. Click title to edit ride (“view ride online” if on mobile) then edit and unclick use for PR.


Done.

How does that solve my issue?

I’m quite pleased it doesn’t record the times when I need to run off to the bathroom or my calf is cramping and I need to stretch it out :smiley:

I didn’t read this whole thread but I’ll give you the short answer:

Yes, it shouldn’t count pauses. We have some work coming up to track pauses in workouts (:scream:). I think we can re-process PRs to exclude pauses. We already do this for outside workouts.

I don’t have an ETA but it’s being worked on.

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Your issue appeared to be PRs being fraudulent due to pauses. This allows you to remove rides with pauses from your PRs, albeit in a very rudimentary way

This is our view as well. Having pauses will lead to potentially overstated VO2 max records, which can skew your personal records chart, and potentially mislead you in the future. If you notice that one of your personal records has been influenced by a pause, following the steps to exclude from personal records is a smart approach.

As Nate mentioned, we would like to implement a proper fix for this issue in the future, however, this will be the best option in the meantime :+1:.

For past workouts, correct?

For future workouts a better workaround in my opinion is disabling “Pedal to resume/pause” as this will record all your stops.

There are some tradeoffs with that approach, if you wanted to take longer rest between intervals and do all the intervals in the plan. On the flip side, I’ve found it to be a good motivation to continue pedaling and adjust intensity if necessary (rather than stopping).

That’s a great point, @bbarrera, I was referring to past workouts. For future workouts, disabling pedal to play/pause will prevent the issue from happening, but of course, sometimes it is still neccessary to pause the workout. Optimally, it would never happen, but sometimes crying children, needing to grab food/water, etc pull us away from the ideal. In these cases, it is useful to keep the “exclude from records” option in mind :+1:.

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Haven’t had crying children interrupt a workout recently :joy: but even then I wouldn’t pause - just rewind. Unless several children were crying and the workout finished before I could rewind :wink: