@dougaldoughnut We seem to be in a period of time where new startups are popping up for fitness training involving machine learning and AI. Pillar is one of those. Wouldn’t surprise me if more pop up. Question becomes whether they will stay around or not, and how effective they are.
I get why people get frustrated waiting for new features - and people complain because they’ve spoken about them on the podcast publicly for almost a year.
BUT
If they rolled out workout levels 2.0/changing AT/workouts with outdoor rides and it was bad?! OR didn’t work properly? People would lose their minds and complain 10x what they complain about the delay now (and this is already factoring in all the people who complain that their levels won’t change with what they THINK they did on a ride versus what they actually did).
I think some people think it is worth paying and staying on (for many reasons), but patience for new features that work and work within the current ecosystem is vital. Like I mentioned a few weeks ago - their UI, ease of use with many trainers and accessories, and calendar, etc… are so much better than anything else out there (in my opinion and compared to what I’ve tried). I’d rather wait for good product than them roll out bad updates to keep users. Because ultimately - good product that works will attract more users.
I notice there are some new free training planners / planning apps that generate a plan from your inputs…ok they are fairly basic and they don’t compete with TR because they don’t generally sync with anything automatically. However if you are stuck for a training plan DM me and I’ll send you a link
Well if you’re that sick of it you know what you can do.
I sleep fine at night mate, think you’re the one with anger issues that are probably keeping you awake. I don’t enjoy TR these days as I don’t use it, or this forum very often as TR is too expensive compared to other options out there, and this forum has a cult like atmosphere.
Praise Be To Nate. Ommm.
Dude, I’ll preface this statement with I’m not angry (EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion no matter the topic)… BUT… if you don’t like TR or this forum as a product, WHY did you even bother to come on here to make a post?
That said, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with a business (any business) giving long time/loyal customers a break for sticking with them long term. It’s a good business strategy… and no, I’m not saying that because I’m a user that is grandfathered into a lower price point… I’ve only just re-upped my yearly sub for the first time (going into my 2nd winter with TR) and am paying the full $189/year price myself. I pay it because I find it good value for money at the end of the day!
This is what we are working to prevent. We want the forum to be a place where everyone feels welcome and comfortable contributing to the conversation. We encourage and welcome all shades of grey with regard to any particular topic. After all, nearly every topic related to cycling is nuanced and it is healthy to hear these different perspectives.
The tone and dialogue in this thread is drifting from our forum guidelines. Sharing them here now to remind us to be excellent to each other 
- Be excellent to each other
- Challenge the idea, don’t attack the person
- Contribute Constructively
- Don’t break the law
- Keep it tidy
Please refer back to the rules outlined by Nate here, so that we can uphold this standard.
I did used to use TR, however my wife (who was the main wage earner) suddenly, without warning found herself out of work and therefore we had to massively cut back in order to keep a roof over our heads. So TR, amongst other things had to go. When we got sorted again, it just didn’t sit well with me that I was paying double what others were, and for me the price doesn’t reflect great value as I need more flexibility with how and when I can train due to my work. I come back to check occasionally how things are progressing with including outdoor rides in the adaptive training, as at the moment, when I have dabbled with it I don’t think it really is adaptive enough for me at the current price, but would give it a try to see how it works when outdoor rides are included.
Probably shouldn’t have responded to the comments on my post, but found the tone, particularly the part about constantly complaining, which considering how few comments I’ve made in these forums a little bit aggressive, but hey ho, that’s the internet for you.
I wouldn’t sweat it dude. As I said before, everyone is entitled to their opinion. As I’ve read through this thread, I took your comments as just that, a STRONGLY worded opinion, same as I did with all others. The difficult thing about the internet is all a forum user sees is words without any tone or context behind them. And words alone can certainly be misconstrued. I’ve certainly been guilty of it a couple times in my many years on this planet!
Back on forum topic a bit. It’s a shame a hardship in life took TR (among many other things) away from you. The last couple years have been difficult on many people/families. I obviously don’t know how long you were a previous user for and for how long you were unsubbed, but did you have any external conversations with TR staff (outside of comments on the forums) regarding said hardships, your previous sub and if there’s any sort of wiggle room for pricing for your situation (assuming you WOULD find good value for money at a lower price point). You never can tell where a conversation like that can take you!
Happy Holidays to you and yours!