Spot on.
Is there any rumor on an Ultegra 12s that could be realesed in like 12months? That would filled rhe gap. Otherwise, I fully agree that ultegra has now moved to high end bike!
There will be NO Ultegra 12s mechanical released, according to Shimano.
They plan to maintain the current Ultegra R8000 for a while (not definitive duration stated that I have seen), as the gap filler (between R8100 Di2 and R7000) in this area.
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I could see mechanical be a 105 and under thing from now on.
Hopefully the tech will trickle down and the current Ultegra (or DA) 11 will become 105 mechanical in a few years (with modifications for cost)
105 will be going electronic next, according to people I know in the industry. No word on if it will be electronic only, but it would seem unlikely that they would offer a 12 spd mechanical at 105 only.
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Yesā¦ I didnāt mean 12 speedā¦
I mean mechanical 11 speed.
Are they predicting 105 Di2 12 or 105 Di2 11 (by reusing Di2 11 system and trickling them down)
Almost certainly 12spdā¦.
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Thatās sadā¦ I see this as a challenge for the kids racing (e.g.U17 /U15). The teams are providing spare wheels for races. Itās already complex with rim, disk brake, disk sizeā¦ some kids are on Di2. Some others have a ultegra mechanical with aluminum wheels ( bikes at 3k$).
Interesting.
I wonder what will this do the bike industry as a whole.
Moving to electronics is great for most.
But not everyone want to, because of price or maintenance or usage.
Its actually a shame the industry is moving to be JUST electronic shifting for higher end bikes.
Oh, to a be a ākidā and rolling on Ultegra Di2ā¦ let alone Ultegra of any kind.
Quite a luxury when viewed from my current station in life, not to mention what I would have had as an under 18 kit. Iād be happy with a modern Tiagra bike and 105 as a stretch when considering what I had at that age. All that to say I wonāt shed a tear for anyone pining over the new 12s groups with the amazing quality available in the modern 10s & 11s groups that are far more economically priced.
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I fully agree with you on that, but you would be surprised how many U17 kids show up at race with top end bikes.
Untill now we had some options for bike in ultegra with 11s much below 3k$ which is what is mainly used in the kids peloton. The wheels are compatible with the DA top-end bike.
My concern is not for the rich kids but for the Club providing spare wheels as a service. They are on a tight budget and it will make thing more complex.
Seems like mechanical road groupsets are going to be dying a slow death, which doesnāt seem so bad since it would in theory eliminate those group ride moments when someone canāt slot into the right gear because of a slightly worn or dirty cable. Then again most of the mechanical die hards are too stubborn to move along with the times so Iām sure Iāll be hearing a lot of click click click anyway.
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I think most people agree that electronic is the future.
Wat really bums me out, is hat cycling, as a whole, has always been seen as a āsports for people with moneyā. Moving all to electronics, unless prices start to fall, will just make this a full on reality, when people cant even get an entry race bike, say an AL bike with 105, for 1500! They will praolaby belooking at 2500+ for a bike like thatā¦
Mehā¦I just prefer the feel of mechanical. Not stubbornness, just preference. Personally, I think the supposed advantages of electronic are overrated.
I see plenty of guys with misadjusted electronic systemsā¦.it is not an issue exclusive to mechanical.
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Allez?!
The difference there is that electronic once properly set will never go out of alignment unless you physically damage something (bent hanger, bent cage, bent something), while a mechanical system will always go out of alignment as the cables wear, itās just a matter of when: a few weeks? Months? Years?
Sureā¦
but once Shimano go di2 105 12 speedsā¦ that bike will start at 2xxxā¦
Thats a lot of money.
Allez used to cost < 1k for 105 Mix.
the less expensive Allez you can get is 1k. And it has 8 speed!!!
for 9 speed you are now at 1200
11 speeds 105 is 1600 (2300 with discs)
So no more entry level AL bikesā¦
And thats a shame IMO.
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Race bikes are not a NEED but a WANT, so I really donāt feel bad about the prices at all. People who rely on bicycles as a mode of transport will continue to have lots of affordable choices. If Mercedes releases a new car tomorrow that costs $5,000,000 it doesnāt mean cars are only for people with money, but the people buying corollas will still benefit from the trickling down of that high end safety tech in due time.
Thank the dentists who bought into Red eTap when everyone cried highway robbery, they are the reason Rival AXS can exist
Fair point.
Thereās an SL7 with the new Dura Ace up on the site nowā¦$1k more than the prior version.