New Shimano Di2 Dura-Ace R9200 & Ultegra R8100

When you say important trends, the vast majority of drop bikes are still road bikes. Shimano is simply building for the market they wish to.

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I’m not at all concerned or surprised that these new ultegra and dura-ace groupsets are not particularly well suited for gravel/multi surface.

These are road race groupsets - Shimano have their separate gravel groupset.

I prefer the idea of having specific groupsets for specific tasks, if they were to produce a do-it-at jack of all trades master of none groupset I think it would be better to derive it from their GRX line.

I do think that GRX needs updating to 12 or 13 speed pretty soon though.

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The bikes I used as an example do not neatly fit into either category, they are quiver killers. The point is that you change wheels to suit your ride that day. Which Shimano groupset should you use then?

My argument would say that if you wanted Shimano then you should use grx on quiver-killer builds…

I’ve gone for campy ekar though because I wanted 1x :joy:

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Thank you very much for sharing. Always searching for that kind of infos. Just bookmarked your post. Highly appreciated.

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Agreed.
I have a SRAM 1x Force eTap AXS build. Ekar was also in the running, though. :slight_smile: But it’d be nice if the two had more competition.

Just ordered a mechanical one a few weeks ago for the gravel bike I’m building up (Carbonda 696 frame). Ultegra RX RD-RX800-GS.

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I also uploaded them to that post as a .PDF if you want to download it and save it to your personal files.

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Please discuss the new power meters in the dedicated thread i made and already linked above (which has the DCR article in the OP).

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Sure, I’m not saying it isn’t ā€œbetterā€ā€¦.8 was simply responding to the idea that not having a clutch makes it a ā€œnon-starterā€. It may be for some, but for many people, they don’t care.

I’ve yet to see a need for a gravel-specific group set. Every feature that you could name as desirable for gravel has benefit everywhere. Wider gear ranges? Great for road. Hood designs? Great for the road. Clutch RD? Works for the road (although perhaps slightly overkill). SRAM proved for years that people would ride their road groups for gravel if they had the right features.

But the consumer base loves the idea of ā€œspecificityā€ so they buy into the concept. The XPLR stuff is a perfect example….had those features just been rolled in as options for gravel from the beginning (as they should have been), people would have been fine with it.

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ā€œQuiver Killerā€ reminds me of a Mitch Hedburg quote, ā€œ2 in 1 shampoo… 2 in 1 is a bullshit term, because 1 is not big enough to hold 2. That’s why 2 was created. If it was 2 in 1, it would be overflowing… the bottle would be all sticky and shit.ā€

Making small sacrifices is not the goal of building a racing groupset. If you aren’t racing them, then get Sora or some other combination. Otherwise you are trying to use the wrong tool for the job.

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I’m in two minds to flag this or not… surely ā€œget Soraā€ has to be one of the most offensive things you can tell somebody around here?

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Basically what I’m getting here is Shimano is for the racer because their gearing isn’t easy enough, and every other mortal is better suited for SRAM granny gears.

It depends on where people ride and fitness I suppose, for me a 36x28 is easy enough and there’s only a handful of climbs where I’d like an easier gear and I don’t even ride those every year, so you’re not going to see me sacrifice shift quality to get more gearing that I’ll never use.

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https://www.scott-sports.com/de/de/product/scott-plasma-rc-pro-bike?article=286397058

Another Tri/ TT bike and again, the old brakes. I guess old TT brake levers and new brakes are not compatible :frowning:

https://productinfo.shimano.com/#/com

Thanks.

That sucks. Hopefully theyā€˜ll release a 9280 brake shifter some day…

$10K+ for an Ultegra bike…and not even a disc or power meter.

Fookin’ insane.

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No disc because it is a Tri-Bike and you canā€˜t ride that in Kona, and they all ride in Kona all the time, where iT iS tOo dAnGeRoUs fOr a dIsC wHeEL.

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Imagine what would a new version of the Diamondback Andean would cost today…
$15k!?
Insane indeed