I updated to latest MacOS beta app today and noticed in release notes that there was mention of something new called TrainNow. If you click on the Workouts section in left hand menu of app, TrainNow feature is across the top menu bar (upper left side of screen). It looks like TR is recommending a variety of workouts for the day based on your training history. Is this possibly Thing #1 or Thing #2? [Untitled]

[image] GeorgeAnderson: useless as it currently stands unless your following only TR workouts. I don’t think this is true based on my understanding of what it’s trying to do. It will offer workouts based on you performance on previous TR workouts but as long as they are a decent representation of your overall performance it should be fine. It might fall down if you only do endurance on TR and Vo2max on other platforms - as TR wont know about your v02max performance - but I don’t think this makes it useless at all.

[image] GeorgeAnderson: TR syncs ALL rides from strava etc into your TR calendar. Why would it only assess TR workout power data etc for giving you a recommended workout. This is a huge gap. They will, it’s just much harder to categorise outdoor rides so it’s not in the first release. E.g. I have a local loop I use for outdoor VO2 training which incorporates a ~20 mile section containing 6 decent climbs that typically take between 3-7 minutes each if I’m going hard. I do the climbs as VO2 intervals, descents as recovery, flats at a comfortable Z2 pace. It’s a fun ride and I accumulate 25-30 minutes of time at VO2 so it’s a good workout. But I have no idea how TR categorises it given that the interval length varies, the recovery length varies, and the interval intensity varies since I adjust my watts to the length of the climb. TR workouts? Much easier. Nail a VO2 session with 2 minute intervals and 3 minute recoveries, and it’s reasonable to expect that you could step up to a workout with 2.5 or 3 minute intervals and same recovery time. Or do the same intervals at higher intensity. Or with reduced recovery.

After riding Sunday I didn’t have a work out on Monday but I looked at the suggested rides with TrainNow wondering how different it would be to my scheduled ride the next day. On Tuesday TrainNow offered me 3 different rides to those suggested on the Monday and none were the same as the one scheduled as per plan builder. I’m pretty sure I have seen Nate suggest that TrainNow works like the AI Beta without the automation, workout levels and questionnaires at the end of sessions.

I’m finding the feature somewhat interesting but the fact that it’s giving me harder rides for the challenging section than for the above FTP ones doesn’t seem to make sense if we look at it from the “achievable/stretch/breakthrough” perspective [image] Also after hitting shuffle 10x I still have Bays appearing in the easy spot

[image] anon13702412: [image] GeorgeAnderson: TR syncs ALL rides from strava etc into your TR calendar. Why would it only assess TR workout power data etc for giving you a recommended workout. This is a huge gap As @SaSha1103 has said, all those rides will be included. If I recall correctly actually quite soon. Though yes I would say it’s not useless until then. Most outdoor rides are likely easy endurance riding and lots of costing. I doubt many get their quality (intervals) done outdoors. Though some for sure will. Nate has confirmed that they are working on including the non TR rides but these are more difficult to catagorise without a target wattage to compare the ride against. I’m not sure that this will be available ‘soon’ but guess it depends on how you define soon. I’m hoping to be allowed into the Beta soon :grinning:

[image] Adaptive Training Closed Beta Update Announcements I think the “very soon” is an overstep. We have something working internally, and we are continuing to work on it. It is a high priority for us.

[image] Rosscopeco: @Nate_Pearson How often does the TN feature update workout suggestions? Does TN update the suggested workouts immediately after uploading a new completed WO? I guess I’m really asking what the “refresh” rate is on the platform, and if it uses a static recovery/decay rate? Asking for a friend who wants to add a ride in the morning. :wink: Yes, every time a TR inside/outside workout gets updated that could potentially change TN. And in the future, any workout could potentially change TN.

[image] ccftri: Can anyone tell me: If you aren’t in the AT beta group, does TrainNow actually use your workout history when making suggestions, or does it just pick random workouts from the assigned categories? It does use your TR inside/outside workout history. The more near term the better. If you haven’t trained for a while it will have little to no impact.

@Cleanneon98 are you expecting to see an achievable, stretch & breakthrough workout? If so then I don’t think that it is working that way within TrainNow. Basically it is offering an easy z2, V02 and Threshold workout at whatever level the AI deems appropriate based on your historic TR performance. From Monday I believe they are hoping for the workout levels to be shown to everyone so that you can start to see whether the proposed workout is a breakout session or not and what ‘level’ you are at in the various progressions within each zone.

[image] SaSha1103: You know they (TR) are going to include Outside Non TR rides right ?:slight_smile: TR wants and needs a complete picture of your fitness and your ride history to adapt your future training. This will be implemented in the near future. We have some ML systems that look at all rides right now like FTP prediction. That doesn’t feed into TrainNow workout choice at the moment…but the plan IS to have it feed in once we can better describe outside unstructured rides to ML. That part is underway (for about 5 months) and we’ve got some prototypes with it.

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