🎉 🎉 New Feature: Group and Solo Rides in Plan Builder! 🎉 🎉

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@SarahLaverty
integration of group ride with workout alternates could be a great feature in my opinion :slight_smile:

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@mvilanova Are you also seeing the TSS double counted or overcounted in what is reported to intervals.icu? It seems like if I plan a solo ride in TR and then complete the ride, both the rides aren’t matched on the intervals.icu side so I get a planned effort with time/TSS + the actual effort + time/TSS. So instead of 8:24 of ride time (correct), I see 11:26. Are you seeing anything similar?

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No, I haven’t observed this behavior. Only TR not matching my ride with the group ride, but intervals did match it. But in this case both time and TSS were quite different, so I’m not surprised TR didn’t do the match. They also calculate TSS differently which isn’t ideal.

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Removing my synced TR calendar from intervals.icu “solved” the problem. Not what I was looking though. Hopefully, this double counting will be resolved. Or, if there is no benefit to adding solo/group rides to TR, maybe I just won’t do that :man_shrugging:t3:

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Hey @Chilliflavour :slight_smile: !! Sorry for the super late reply. I was on vacation :palm_tree:!

A Sweet Spot workout definitely drives fitness adaptations. The term often refers to exercise performed at a level of intensity that maximizes training benefits without leading to excessive fatigue or risk of injury.

I looked at your training plan and what you’ve been doing and I recommend replacing one of your Sweet Spot workouts with the Group Ride instead of a Threshold workout since the efforts are closer/typically at a moderate-to-high level.

Note: You mentioned you were on a Master’s plan, but I see you’re on a non-master’s one :slightly_smiling_face: If you were to switch to a Master’s, I would leave the 2 interval workouts designed by the plan and switch one of the 3 endurance workouts to a Group Ride.

As far as being on a Mid Volume plan, if you see that you aren’t able to consistently follow everything as planned, then it may be best to go to a Low Volume plan and go back to Mid if necessary.

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The answer would be no since these are essentially unstructured rides.

You would just need to record the workout on your head unit and it should automatically match the ride file to the Solo/Group Ride once it syncs over to TR.

Files can be uploaded automatically using Activity Sync, or manually uploaded from the “Import Activity” button on the Past Activities page.

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Hey @Caro.Gomez-Villafane No problem at all! I hope you had a great vacation :beach_umbrella:

Many thanks for the suggestions, that’s exactly what I was looking for :smiley:

Have reverted back to a Master’s plan switching the 2 hour endurance workout to the group ride. Work has got in the way of my training schedule of late but things have started to settle down so hopefully can get back to some consistency again.

Thanks again! :sunglasses:

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It was great, thank you!!

You’re welcome! Let me know if something else comes up along the way :slight_smile:

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Two questions.

  1. How do I rationalize what I call a hard group ride with TR’s definition of same? I’ve put a Group Ride into my plan for Saturdays. They come up as either a hard ride or an easy ride, depending on the week. I’m on an MV plan. The hard ride group rides show up as 1.5 hr 115 TSS days. Yet that’s a short, easy group ride for me. (Who does an 1.5hr group ride on a Saturday? Maybe on a weekday morning when we have less time before or after work. ) So when I do a hard group ride for say 3 hours at 200TSS or a 4 hour one at 300TSS, I’m told Sunday is now a red day and to rest. The plan has typically scheduled an easy recovery (Z1 or Z2) day with a 1.5 - 2hr ride, something I always found helpful to stretch my legs and recover from the hard ride. With my plan typically calling for an off day on Monday (and Thursday), it’s now two days in a row off the bike after my group ride. That seems too long. Should I schedule my hard group ride for say 3 hrs, 200 TS so that I don’t get Sunday coming up as a red/rest day?
  2. Do group and solo rides figure into my progression levels? If so, can you tell me how? I can see that group rides change my plan or at least schedules red days after group rides, but does it figure in the work I’ve done during the group rides into my progression levels and, therefore the recommended adaptations for future workouts? If so, cool. If not, why not? Seems that group and solo rides doesn’t move us any closer to WL V2 (workout levels version 2) or has that much hyped update finally bitten the dust? Are you working on something else to finally capture different zones of effort we do in group and solo rides. The red light yellow light green light system seems only attuned to your total TSS, Fine as far as it goes but that doesn’t contribute to adapting your plan and future workouts to your efforts on group and solo ride days. Thanks!
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Good questions!

Group rides on weekends definitely tend to be longer. That’s likely a contributing factor to the red days you’re seeing appear on your TR Calendar after they’re done. A combination of the intensity/duration is likely pushing you beyond what you’ve “normally” done for your recent training. Red Light/Green Light can see this and is giving you the warning signs accordingly.

Whether you get the recommendation to go hard or easy will depend on what you’ve done during the rest of your training week. If your week has been particularly difficult/demanding, you may be advised to go a little bit easier/shorter than originally planned.

If you find the easier ride on Sunday to be helpful for recovering from your Saturday group ride, then you’re still free to go for it! Just be mindful of what RLGL is letting you know – pushing too hard and ignoring red/yellow days can lead to excess fatigue over time, which can throw the rest of your plan off track.

Group/Solo Rides won’t affect PLs at this time, but it’s still something we’re working on! It’s been a more difficult project to complete than we initially thought. That said, we’d still say that RLGL does contribute to adapting your training plan – it helps to guide athletes away from doing too much volume/intensity based on their recent training. If you do a hard Group Ride, as you’ve seen, you may get red/yellow days as a result.

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