My input - 7 months app use

I started using TRoad again in October last year (I had already used the app a few years ago). When I returned, my goal was to structure my training for the whole season, focusing on a few marathon mountain bike races as preparation and with the main goal of 3 Ultramarathons in March, May and June. Adaptive training was the main reason for using TRoad again. Structuring the season by including the scheduled events in the plan, with the flexibility to schedule the training sessions by choosing the days and their duration and having recommended adaptations when something went off the rails are undoubtedly an added value.

In the beginning, everything was 5 stars, with each training session that was more or less difficult, small adaptations were suggested. After a few weeks I could check and update the FTP.

In February the plan went off the rails. On the 22nd and 23rd I had a two-stage marathon mountain bike event (race B in the plan) in which I only did one of the stages and the following week the app didn’t react as I’d hoped (I’d expected more adaptations suggesting increasing the load in the plan) because I’d done much less loading the week before. Then, two weeks later, another B event with two stages was canceled and two more weeks later I didn’t take part in the first Ultramarathon scheduled for 150 km (A race) due to very bad weather.

In March, many hours of mountain biking and around 8 hours with an estimated TSS of 500/600 in the Ultramarathon alone remained to be done. In the weeks following these gaps in the calendar, I again felt that the IA didn’t react as it should have in terms of adaptations. The IA didn’t seem to understand that there had been much less effort and that I needed to adapt my next training sessions because I still had two ultra-marathon A-races to do. That’s what I expected. After some interaction here on the forum and with the staff, I ended up deleting the events I hadn’t done. By deleting these events, more suggestions for adaptation appeared, but I still thought they were too few given the background and the usual dynamic of suggestions in the first few weeks of the plan.

I finished my subscription on May 30th and didn’t renew. The main reason was two things:

1- The AI is still a bit unstable and inconsistent (at least in my experience of 7 months of use);

2- This is perhaps the biggest reason. From the outset, I always found the plan short in terms of volume and prescribing longer training sessions at the weekend. Doing ultramarathons of 7 to 10 hours is not the same thing as doing mountain bike marathons of usually 3 to 4 hours maximum. In the planning there isn’t even an option to choose the ultramarathon strand. I thought that even if there were no ultramarathons, by setting the duration of the events at 7 hours or more, the volume of the endurance days at the weekend would be adapted, but no longer.

I think the plan has remained faithful to the volume needed to run marathons and hasn’t adapted to the ultramarathons I’ve scheduled.

Here’s my contribution and see you one day..

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Thanks for the feedback. It’s good to know. It’s a shame the “AI” isn’t yet at the level needed to adapt correctly.

Hey @SSaldanha, thank you for the input! We really do appreciate it.

From what I am reading, it sounds like there may be some confusion around expectations of how Adaptive Training should work and how the product actually works, so I’ll try to help and clarify your concerns. P

On event changes and adaptations:
TrainerRoad’s AI continuously adjusts your training based on completed workouts, missed sessions, and your current fitness level. Right now, when events are left on the calendar but not completed, the system assumes they happened as planned. That’s why you saw more adjustments after deleting the missed events, as this recalculates your plan without those assumed race efforts.

Note: This can be a great feature suggestion to have the system identify if you missed the race effort and ask for confirmation before adapting the plan.

Training load:
Our training plans include Classical Periodization & Supercompensation to help you effectively build fitness and achieve your cycling goals. Think of it like building blocks to get to higher levels. This does not support the idea of “making up” what you missed in the week prior. Rather, the workouts are stepping stones to the next, aimed at working the correct energy systems needed for your event, rather than time on the saddle, as not all TSS is created equally. (aka: your mtb rides)

This blog post goes over this concept:

TR Plans:
When creating a training plan, TR will tell you what it thinks is the best volume for you. However, you can manually edit your training hours on the weekly schedule: How to Edit Your Training Plan Schedule

Additionally, you can make use of the Check Volume feature to get an updated volume recommendation by checking your plan’s volume.

This blog post, I think, can help explain things further.:

I know this may be a lot of info, so if you have any questions, please ask away!

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Hmm my assumption for events that didn’t happen or have no data would be to at a minimum ask the Athlete why the data is missing vs assuming it happened at the estimated TSS.

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Yes it should be a feature. But even more than that it was feeling that even deleting those events the suggested adaptations were so small that didnt felt really like compensating that missed load.

About all the rest I understand it all. Im not saying the app isnt great. Just not there yet for me (at the level I expected) specially not having an ultra MTB plan. Century you mention is for road and we cant compare a century on road vs MTB.

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Exactly like any missed or failed workout that generates adaptation suggestions after detecting those misses.

I think that that isnt 100% correct. It was just my case. Many are using it with good results. My results werent bad just had those hiccups. Overall is still good if you dont want or cant afford a coach and dont want the fuss of having to sort by yourself how to plan your workouts shedule.

There are some older threads around that discuss it but after about 5 or 6 hours, the physiological systems are the same.

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TrainerRoad and the the adaptations worked great for me and my A event was 20 hours so I’m really surprised it wouldn’t work for your 7 hour event

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If that is true it’s a bad default. It gets even more confusing as AI recognizes missed sessions (emphasis added) but a missed event needs to be handled differently.

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Apologies if it is in there somewhere but would be useful to know how you felt your A events went given what was prescribed?

I also feel that it would be very useful to have an ultramarathon focus for the plans as an option. There are a huge amount of ultracyclists out there to make it a worthwhile marketing tool, surely? :slight_smile:

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I fet I was short on longer endurance rides.

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Sure. There is a century road so why not a Century MTB.

An average mtb marathon here has from 60 ish up to 80 ish km and in average takes from around 3h up to 4h00 to complete. For that I can do well making a 3 hour endurance ride once a week but thats not enough for me going twice those distances in ultra mtb events. For that I need I need to do 4 to 5h rides sometimes a bit more and doing it in back to back days once in a while like 4h saturday and another dose of that on sunday. Doing that would have triggered red light often for sure.

Used it for about 5 months in preparation for Unbound 200. I was only scheduling 6-8hr weeks with TR. However, yes, you need to schedule/add the occasional long ride in the 75% range (of total event distance). For me a longer ride every 3 weeks did the trick. Not sure TR alone works for the ultra events - you’ll need to add that volume somehow. It triggers a few red or yellow days but let the AI adjust the schedule accordingly.

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I rode all winter on the trainer, with no rides longer than 2 hours. FTP increased a few percent.

First outdoor ride of the season was a two day, 280km gravel ride. No issues. I don’t know why people are so hung up on the time in saddle thing.

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Its not that they cant ride the distance. But many people perform better with some longer rides as part of the schedule.

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Because it’s impossible for anyone anywhere to have a different experience than you?

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Of course! But isn’t this so obvious that it should preempt the constant stream of “why doesn’t AI give me 8 hour training sessions” questions?

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