Hi all, So a ramp test officially measures your maximum aerobic power (MAP) which is the highest one minute of power you put out before failure on the test. FTP is then calculated from this based on the fact that for the majority of people it comes out at 72-78% of MAP. This all makes sense. Howeve…

Ok, it a pretty generic term. Interestingly the summary has “IMAP” all over it but not enough for me to buy it. [image] WindWarrior: Which brings us back to your point… I’m not familiar with the “original MAP” that used blood lactate with two minute steps, and one minute without lactate. Con…

Ok, you can go back to 1922 and read about “ramp” tests (graded exercise tests) in running. That paper above was trying to validate (indirect) MAP on the cycling erg with (direct) MAP on the treadmill. They could have easily said MAP. for cycling and DMAP for treadmill. Whatever.

This just popped up in my feed a few mins ago and I thought was relevant to this thread discussion (lets call MAP VO2 max for a minute…) [AC tweet]

Keep in mind that training VO2max and training MAP are not the same thing. If you want to train a higher power, train to sustain higher power for X minutes. If you’re looking to improve maximal oxygen uptake, then power is a secondary metric and you’re really looking to push HR and breathing rate. Y…

[image] kurt.braeckel: Keep in mind that training VO2max and training MAP are not the same thing. If you want to train a higher power, train to sustain higher power for X minutes. If you’re looking to improve maximal oxygen uptake, then power is a secondary metric and you’re really looking to pu…

[image] kurt.braeckel: If you’re looking to improve maximal oxygen uptake, then power is a secondary metric and you’re really looking to push HR and breathing rate. LOL I just spent two years using power and spent ~80% of the time pushing down (HR & breathing rate) :joy: and the end result is…

This is me - just finished 3 months of ONLY z2 and z3 work and saw 5m power go up by 30w (11%) and 20m power by 10w… Couldn’t believe the test results!

[image] tshortt: then have them see MAP go up. “But you didn’t do any high intensity, did you? How 'bout that”…in a “so what did we learn today, kids” kind of way. It’s cool when it happens. A passing car with open window and a barking dog will make my legs reflexively push out 600+ watts… Wi…

Lots of ways to skin the cat, especially improving VO2max. Probably the most effective way to make that movement over time is to ride lots more. Then again, if time weren’t a constraint… :upside_down_face: I’d only argue that if you’re doing a focused block of training, you can focus on pushing more…

yeah I was just teasing because like a coin operated sales person (LOL I’m in sales), your comment focused on your current focus (a vo2max block). Of course that isn’t sustainable long term, hence my comment.

Maximum Aerobic Power (MAP), what does it really tell you?

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WindWarrior February 9, 2022, 6:39pm 89

LOL I just spent two years using power and spent ~80% of the time pushing down (HR & breathing rate) and the end result is I’m now nearly back to my highest absolute VO2max (ml/min) from 2017

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